Fr. Nicholas Gruner

[Pax_et_Caritas]

Once again…isn’t this HIS website? People - it’s impossible to get unbiased news from a website of the person you are defending.

Can we possibly cite another source?

Most of what is on his website was not written by him. When someone else writes something in his defense, he posts it on his website.

 

[LilyM]

Most of what is on his website was not written by him. When someone else writes something in his defense, he posts it on his website.

And I’m sure he posts everything written against him on it as well, y’know, just so we get a balanced view … sheesh.

 

[MarieO2]

I think the mere fact that Sister Lucia found Gruner an irritating little worm is enough for me. She was not at all pleased with his silly assertations and said so. If anyone ought to know the truth it would be her.

 

[jrabs]

Most of what is on his website was not written by him. When someone else writes something in his defense, he posts it on his website.

And I am betting he also has dissenting views on there as well?
And he put Sr. Lucia’s opinion on there?
And he is a better judge then Sr Lucia was?

 

[jrabs]

Im sorry but theres no such thing as an unbiased source. Every source is biased to some degree. even objectivity is biased (its gods bias after all, but hes still right).

Now why has the Vatican suspended a priest over something as trivial as fatima? this is ridiculous, its not like he is guilty of doctrinal heresey!

And one does not go to Fr Gruner’s website to the the “real truth” when one is searching for the truth. What you get is his version of the truth as he sees it. How much more biased can that be?

I am asking for other sources.

 

[Catherine_S]

It is a canonical ruse engineered by Vatican bureaucrats led by the Secretary of State, whose role in attempting to bury the authentic Message of Fatima, which Father Gruner has promoted for 29 years, is known to well-informed Catholics the world over.

Why would the Vatican do this…what reason would it have for deceiving the Church?

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

And I’m sure he posts everything written against him on it as well, y’know, just so we get a balanced view … sheesh.

Are you saying his accuers post both sides of the story? Hardly. He provides the “balanced view” by countering those who slander him by presenting the truth. By reading his website and his slanderers website, you will get the balanced view. But most people don’t want teh balanced view. They would prefer to believe the slander and won’t hear the other side.

 

[MarieO2]

It is a canonical ruse engineered by Vatican bureaucrats led by the Secretary of State, whose role in attempting to bury the authentic Message of Fatima, which Father Gruner has promoted for 29 years, is known to well-informed Catholics the world over.

Why would the Vatican do this…what reason would it have for deceiving the Church?

It is a canonical ruse engineered by Gruner and lead by the Devil himself to bury the truth about Fatima, which Gruner has worked hard doing just that for 29 years and the ignorant and unfaithful Catholic’s of little repute who follow Gruner continue to spread as truth his lies.

Why would Gruner do this…what reason does he have for decieving the Church?

 

[snowfly]

Is Fr. Nicholas Gruner still considered a Priest in good standing with the Church?

No !

 

[jrabs]

It is a canonical ruse engineered by Vatican bureaucrats led by the Secretary of State, whose role in attempting to bury the authentic Message of Fatima, which Father Gruner has promoted for 29 years, is known to well-informed Catholics the world over.

Why would the Vatican do this…what reason would it have for deceiving the Church?

Really…so show me the proof. Make us believers from something other then the Fatima.com site.

There are many well-informed Catholics on this forum and all over the world that place their trust in what Sr Lucia and the Vatican say over that of Fr Gruner. Both cannot be correct…and my money is with the church and the good and holy late Sister.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

And I am betting he also has dissenting views on there as well?
And he put Sr. Lucia’s opinion on there?

Absolutely. He quotes sister Lucy repeatedly saying that John Paul II’s consecreation of “the world” did not suffice. She stated that many times before alledgedly changing her story. You really need to look at both sides of the story. You have no idea what you don’t know.

 

[jrabs]

Absolutely. He quotes sister Lucy repeatedly saying that John Paul II’s consecreation of “the world” did not suffice. She stated that many times before alledgedly changing her story. You really need to look at both sides of the story. You have no idea what you don’t know.

I have looked at both sides. And Sr. Lucia said it was accepted by heaven…before Fr. Gruner adjusted and tweaked.

 

[MarieO2]

Absolutely. He quotes sister Lucy repeatedly saying that John Paul II’s consecreation of “the world” did not suffice. She stated that many times before alledgedly changing her story. You really need to look at both sides of the story. You have no idea what you don’t know.

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Right…according to Gruner ***she changed her story. Now it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that if Sister Lucy changed her story…Fatima is false from beginning to end. Just what Satan and his minions (Gruner as head minion) would like to accomplish.

How can so called Catholics be so spiritually dumb as to even believe such garbage as Gruner puts out? He wasn’t even born when the apparitions took place. let alone privy to them?

 

[JFT]

Although I find some of what Fr. Gruner states to be thought-provoking, as a general member of the Catholic Church, I’ve learned to be careful about what I hear others say about him. For instance, I’ve read mention in various issues of The Fatima Crusader that a decease Belgian theologian named Fr. Edouard Dhanis “concluded” that all the apparitions that occurred at Fatima were merely “hysterical imaginings” of Sr. Lucia dos Santos…and did so without even interviewing Lucia dos Santos.

I give this as a disinterested observer who would ask that Fr. Gruner be given the benefit of the doubt before being absolutely judged one way or the other. :twocents:

 

[MarieO2]

I give this as a disinterested observer who would ask that Fr. Gruner be given the benefit of the doubt before being absolutely judged one way or the other. :twocents:

The powers that be (majesterium) already judged him and found him not truthful and disobedient. That is their job…as per Christ instructions to lead the church.

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

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Right…according to Gruner ***she changed her story.

According to Fr. Gruner she did not change her story. Supposedly, after years of saying the contrary she typed a letter that said John Paul II’s consecration sufficed. The problem is, according to Cardinal Bertone himself, she never used a type-writer.

Another point: Mary requested that Russia be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by the Pope together with all the Bishops

In 1984, John Paul II consecrated the world (not Russia) to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and did not do so with all the bishops of the world, whereas Pius XII consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary BY NAME… but unfortunately did not do with with the rest of the Bishops.

Why would the non-consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by John Paul II suffice, and the actual consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by Pius XII not suffice?

 

[MarieO2]

According to Fr. Gruner she did not change her story. Supposedly, after years of saying the contrary she typed a letter that said John Paul II’s consecration sufficed. The problem is, according to Cardinal Bertone himself, she never used a type-writer.

Another point: Mary requested that Russia be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by the Pope together with all the Bishops

In 1984, John Paul II consecrated the world (not Russia) to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and did not do so with all the bishops of the world, whereas Pius XII consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary BY NAME… but unfortunately did not do with with the rest of the Bishops.

Why would the non-consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by John Paul II suffice, and the actual consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by Pius XII not suffice?

Right…so sister is a liar and the whole apparition is a lie and that is the point???

Yep! Exactly what old Red legs and Gruner want to prove in the end.

 

[jrabs]

According to Fr. Gruner she did not change her story. Supposedly, after years of saying the contrary she typed a letter that said John Paul II’s consecration sufficed. The problem is, according to Cardinal Bertone himself, she never used a type-writer.

Another point: Mary requested that Russia be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by the Pope together with all the Bishops

In 1984, John Paul II consecrated the world (not Russia) to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and did not do so with all the bishops of the world, whereas Pius XII consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary BY NAME… but unfortunately did not do with with the rest of the Bishops.

Why would the non-consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by John Paul II suffice, and the actual consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by Pius XII not suffice?

And the fact that Sr Lucia said the consecration was accepted by heaven means what then?

I see nothing problematic about the typewriter. Either the Cardinal was mistaken and she pecked away at a typewriter for one time in her life, or she had someone type while she dictated.

A type writer is not rocket science.

And once again…Fr Gruner said that she changed her story. sheesh! Well, if he said it, then I guess he’s gotta be right.
What else is HE gonna say?

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

I have looked at both sides. And Sr. Lucia said it was accepted by heaven…before Fr. Gruner adjusted and tweaked.

If you have read the 10 articles across the top of the page on his website - www.fatima.org - and you still disagree, I won’t argue with you… but I don’t think you have read them.

But if you do muster up the courage to read those articles, you will see that the “official” story being maintained by Cardinal Bertone is falling apart. He and his story have become a laughing stock in Rome. He has been going on TV trying to defend the indefensible and only digging himself into a deeper hole.

The story, as well as the events surrounding it, is explained in those 10 articles at the top of the page:

Here’s a link to the “report from Italy”: fatimapeaceconferences.com/solideo_paolini_2007_en.asp

 

[MarieO2]

And the fact that Sr Lucia said the consecration was accepted by heaven means what then?

I see nothing problematic about the typewriter. Either the Cardinal was mistaken and she pecked away at a typewriter for one time in her life, or she had someone type while she dictated.

A type writer is not rocket science.

And once again…Fr Gruner said that she changed her story. sheesh! Well, if he said it, then I guess he’s gotta be right.
What else is HE gonna say?

Probably anything old Satan wants him to say. Gruner is no friend of God for sure.