Fr. Nicholas Gruner

[planter654]

Sorry…meant to say “what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas”

No I am not calling anyone Vegas …please

 

[planter654]

What’s scary here is that a lot of “Traditional” Catholics, like liberal Catholics, get so caught up in a cause, they fail to remember the Deposit of Faith. They start followig the church of me, like ML, et al. It is especially troubling to see Traditional Catholics do this because they claim to speak for the True Church.

Here alone, have been people saying that “poor” Father Gruner is so busy taking care of souls that he doesn’t have time to defend himself, when in fact they are pointing to letters, websites, magazines, and articles written by this man to promote himself.

St. Athanasius lived in a very different time of Church history. Varying interpretations of Christ’s teachings had not yet been resolved. Today, Church Teachings are quite clear. To say that any bishop can defrock a priest for no reason is not true.

To accuse people who wish not to read certain articles of not seeking truth is just silly. We lay people cannot know all there is to Canon Law. If Father Gruner is truly the saint people make him out to be, then I nominate my pastor. He has done far greater things in a humbler manner.

Fr Gruner is grooming divisiveness and deceit in his publications. And he has following.

The Devil is still hard at work, and is now using Fatima to lure followers.

I don’t think he is using Fatima but upset that we did not fufill what the Blessed Mother asked. And I would think he knows the third secret or has figured it out he is a priest a Catholic priest.

God Bless

 

[AlexV]

That’s right…gnosticism all over again.

The pope lies. The cardinals lie. The bishops lie.

Only Gruner knows. And his supporters. Only Gruner is out there telling the truth.

He’s an Italian priest. Oh sorry…he can’t work there, he says, because he doesn’t know Italian. So who told him to seek incardination in that diocese? Hmm…was he just seeking ordination, anywhere?

Gruner’s prose is full of fear-mongering and utter nonsense.

 

[planter654]

You’ re right. That crazy conspiracy nut Pope Leo XIII had quite an imagination.

*HUMANUM GENUS *papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13human.htm

ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON FREEMASONRY APRIL 20, 1884
2…. At this period, however, the partisans of evil seems to be combining together, and to be struggling with united vehemence, led on or assisted by** that strongly organized and widespread association called the Freemasons**. No longer making any secret of their purposes, they are now boldly rising up against God Himself. **They are planning the destruction of holy Church publicly and openly, and this with the set purpose of utterly despoiling the nations of Christendom **
6. For as soon as the constitution and the spirit of the masonic sect were clearly discovered by manifest signs of its actions, by the investigation of its causes, by publication of its laws, and of its rites and commentaries, with the addition often of the personal testimony of those who were in the secret, this apostolic see denounced the sect of the Freemasons, and publicly declared its constitution, as contrary to law and right.

And Cardinal Ratzinger is a conspiracy nut too!

Cardinal Ratzinger “Masonic sect” is no longer explicitly named is irrelevant; **the Church’s negative judgment on Masonry remains unchanged, **because the Masonic principles are irreconcilable with the Church’s teaching (“earum principia semper iconciliabilia habita sunt cum Ecclesiae doctrina”); **Catholics who join the Masons are in the state of grave sin **and may not receive Holy Communion and (4) no local ecclesiastical authority has competence to derogate from these judgments of the Sacred Congregation.
catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=2652

1983 Canon 1374:
A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; one who promotes or takes office in such an association is to be punished with an interdict.

1917 Canon 2335
Persons joining associations of the Masonic sect or any others of the same kind **which plot against the Church **and legitimate civil authorities contract ipso facto excommunication simply reserved to the Apostolic See.

Plots against the Church? Conspiracy nuts!

On tv they did documentary on Freemasonary I did not know that Pres Bush and his Father right up to the first Pres are masons lots in Washington if that is true or not was on tv. books written Bush , his father have their pictures that they showed us on the wall in there masonary build. I say anything kept that secret can’t be good do you think. Yes they believe in God.

But what I and others watching is the whole purpose of that man is god and are trying to change to a new world order. The worship of man not God our creator. They gave a huge list of who were masonaries we were shocked shocked! This is a great plan and has been in the works for centuries!!! They also have symbols they say it is the tall white pillar standing in front of Washington and it is funny because they also showed what the new design will be where the twin towers stood and it is the same shape interesting.That hundreds if not l,ooo’s masonaries have also filtered through that I will not say. But it is not good. It is one world power authority over all. That is why today they are pushing for the dollar to be the same all over the world they will control all buying an selling, everything. We all laughed at the chip inbedded in the body, a paplet that came to my door 20 years ago by a Jevoah, well it is here! Now they are saying it will be like a stamp on the sin you will not see but a machine will see it. Never wash off all will be evenly forced to have it or you will not be able to buy sell travel etc. Does this make since I don’t know but something in this world is happening don’t you think.

God Bless pray pray pray for our Church and all souls

 

[Sure]

Wait, I’m confused. If Fr. Gruner is from Canada, how’d he end up with a diocese in Italy?

Because they were the only one’s who ordain him. Once he was made a priest, he went back to Canada and refused to go back to Italy when his bishop requested it. Kind of make you wonder if he ever had any intention of serving as a priest in Italy.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I don’t think he is using Fatima but upset that we did not fufill what the Blessed Mother asked.
God Bless

Russia has been consecrated according to the ways described by the Our Lady to Sister Lucia:

*"There was then talk about the statements of Nicholas Gruner, a Canadian priest suspended “a divinis,” who is collecting signatures insisting that the Pope finally consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and alleging that this has never been done.

Sister Lucia told the archbishop: “The Carmel community has rejected the forms for the collection of signatures. I have already said that the consecration requested by Our Lady was done in 1984, and it has been accepted in heaven.” "*

freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1343984/posts

And I would think he knows the third secret or has figured it out he is a priest a Catholic priest.

So he is the only Catholic priest in the world who has the third secret figured out? What does Sister Lucia say?

theotokos.org.uk/pages/cathnews/fatima/secret2.html

** “Everything has been published; no secret remains,” Sister Lucia told the secretary of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. She also dismissed the reports that she has received new messages from the Virgin Mary. “If I had received new revelations I would have told no one, but I would have communicated them directly to the Holy Father,” she said.

Archbishop Bertone’s meeting with Sister Lucia took place in the Carmelite convent in Coimbra, Portugal, where she now lives. There were several witnesses to the conversation, and all agreed that despite her age (almost 95), Sister Lucia was energetic and alert.

The Vatican scheduled the two-hour meeting in order to dispel reports that have been circulated by some groups - most notably by the followers of a suspended priest, Father Nicholas Gruner - that the Fatima message has not yet been completely revealed.

Some reports have also suggested that Pope John Paul II did not fulfill the requirements of the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary - a consecration that had been requested by the Virgin Mary in her appearances at Fatima. Once again, Sister Lucia said that these reports are entirely false. “I have already said that the consecration that Our Lady desired was accomplished in 1984, and was accepted in heaven,” she insisted.

**

These are the facts.

 

[AlexV]

Indeed.

Gruner gets ordained in an obscure Italian diocese and immediately moves home to Canada and starts doing his own thing with the “Fatima Crusader”.

His bishop asks him to return…no big surprise there…and suddenly the poor, persecuted Gruner cries he doesn’t know the local dialect of Italian and can’t possibly serve as a priest there.

Huh? Come again? People trust this guy?

Of course. The world is full of people who would trust such as Gruner. Unfortunate, but true.

 

[qui_est_ce]

II can not believe such hated words for this priest by Catholics. Jesus said: “if they hate you remember they hated me first.”

I cannot believe Catholics would follow a priest that calls the Pope and bishops liars.

This priest knows more of what goes on inside, seen etc understanding the language of messages given from the Pope better than we do.

How do you know this? Do you think he know more than the Popes, the Cardinals, Bishops, and other Catholic priests who disagree with him?

If you work for so many years on the same job around the same people day after day you know more than those who do not work in the same place outside…

Like what goes to Vegas stays in Vegas
God Bless

So, based on ONE MAN’S sayso, all of Rome is wrong and covering up the Third Secret. Sister Lucia is in on the whole thing.

 

[stmaria]

On tv they did documentary on Freemasonary I did not know that Pres Bush and his Father right up to the first Pres are masons lots in Washington if that is true or not was on tv. books written Bush , his father have their pictures that they showed us on the wall in there masonary build. I say anything kept that secret can’t be good do you think. Yes they believe in God.

I highly doubt that any President in the Last 100 years has any ties to Freemasonry. Some of the Founding Fathers were Masons. I believe that one of the architects of Washington D.C. did use some Masonic symbols in his buildings but I doubt that there was an evil purpose behind it.

But what I and others watching is the whole purpose of that man is god and are trying to change to a new world order

 

[Duffyo7]

Gruner is indeed a crackpot, and he is leading souls into a maelstrom of fear, terror, and anxiety that is antithetical to the Catholic tradition of hope and confidence.

Yep! You got that right. And a dangerous crackpot at that.

 

[Duffyo7]

Sister Lucia is in on the whole thing.

According to Satan of course…and we know how he hates Fatima and Our Lady. How naive can people be? A guy who gets ordained in Italy, immediately leaves, starts his own campaign against the Church with lies and innuendo’s against the church and the very seer herself, is not a man seeking to please God.

Sister Lucia said over and over it was **DONE! **Gruner has the audacity to say she was coerced, old and confused and some people actually believe him??? …AAAAAAAAAARRRGH! WEIRD! Just plain WEIRD!!!

 

[planter654]

Russia has been consecrated according to the ways described by the Our Lady to Sister Lucia:

*"There was then talk about the statements of Nicholas Gruner, a Canadian priest suspended “a divinis,” who is collecting signatures insisting that the Pope finally consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and alleging that this has never been done.

Sister Lucia told the archbishop: “The Carmel community has rejected the forms for the collection of signatures. I have already said that the consecration requested by Our Lady was done in 1984, and it has been accepted in heaven.” "*

freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1343984/posts

So he is the only Catholic priest in the world who has the third secret figured out? What does Sister Lucia say?

theotokos.org.uk/pages/cathnews/fatima/secret2.html

** “Everything has been published; no secret remains,” Sister Lucia told the secretary of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. She also dismissed the reports that she has received new messages from the Virgin Mary. “If I had received new revelations I would have told no one, but I would have communicated them directly to the Holy Father,” she said.

Archbishop Bertone’s meeting with Sister Lucia took place in the Carmelite convent in Coimbra, Portugal, where she now lives. There were several witnesses to the conversation, and all agreed that despite her age (almost 95), Sister Lucia was energetic and alert.

The Vatican scheduled the two-hour meeting in order to dispel reports that have been circulated by some groups - most notably by the followers of a suspended priest, Father Nicholas Gruner - that the Fatima message has not yet been completely revealed.

Some reports have also suggested that Pope John Paul II did not fulfill the requirements of the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary - a consecration that had been requested by the Virgin Mary in her appearances at Fatima. Once again, Sister Lucia said that these reports are entirely false. “I have already said that the consecration that Our Lady desired was accomplished in 1984, and was accepted in heaven,” she insisted.

**

These are the facts.

Thank you for "educating me and putting me on the right path, on this matter…God Bless a very little child of God.

 

[qui_est_ce]

According to Satan of course…and we know how he hates Fatima and Our Lady. How naive can people be? A guy who gets ordained in Italy, immediately leaves, starts his own campaign against the Church with lies and innuendo’s against the church and the very seer herself, is not a man seeking to please God.

Sister Lucia said over and over it was **DONE! **Gruner has the audacity to say she was coerced, old and confused and some people actually believe him??? …AAAAAAAAAARRRGH! WEIRD! Just plain WEIRD!!!

I’m sayin’!

I was over on the nonCatholic religions forum for the longest time arguing the Church is one. Someone suggested I come here. What a shocker. Do you think some people don’t have enough time on their hands?

We have a Polish “Catholic” Church here in schism with the Archdiocese of St Louis, because they won’t adhere to Archdiocesan law. They hired, yes HIRED, a priest from another diocese, Springfield, without the permission of either bishop. The guy was kicked out of seminary in Poland for (unpublically) disclosed irregularities (practicing homosexuality according to the Polish press). The Springfield Archdiocese put him through Seminary, then he left to become “pastor” of St. Stanislas in St. Louis. Is he another Fr Gruner, fighting for truth and justice against the big bad CC?

stlreview.com/abpcolumn.php?abpid=9772

And now we have two women “ordained” as priest in a Jewish Synagogue just in time for Christmas.

Yup, that’s where you’re headed when you start down the road of the church of me. (or maybe the church of Red Leg Fellowship).

 

[qui_est_ce]

Thank you for "educating me and putting me on the right path, on this matter…God Bless a very little child of God.

Be ware of wolf in sheep’s clothing! I think it says that in the Bible somewhere!

 

[Sure]

Indeed.

Gruner gets ordained in an obscure Italian diocese and immediately moves home to Canada and starts doing his own thing with the “Fatima Crusader”.

His bishop asks him to return…no big surprise there…and suddenly the poor, persecuted Gruner cries he doesn’t know the local dialect of Italian and can’t possibly serve as a priest there.

Huh? Come again? People trust this guy?

Of course. The world is full of people who would trust such as Gruner. Unfortunate, but true.

I’d like to know where the money goes. All those subscriptions, book sales, and donations…where do those go??? Hmmm…Are they even a registered charitable organization in the US???

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Acts 19:13-16

Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to pronounce the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” 14 Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this. 15 But the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?” 16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, mastered all of them, and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

To paraphrase: I know Sr Lucia, I know the pope, but who is Gruner.

 

[Brennan_Doherty]

Indeed.

Gruner gets ordained in an obscure Italian diocese and immediately moves home to Canada and starts doing his own thing with the “Fatima Crusader”.

His bishop asks him to return…no big surprise there…and suddenly the poor, persecuted Gruner cries he doesn’t know the local dialect of Italian and can’t possibly serve as a priest there.

Huh? Come again? People trust this guy?

Of course. The world is full of people who would trust such as Gruner. Unfortunate, but true.

It is not a matter of “trusting Fr. Gruner.” If Fr. Gruner changed his mind tomorrow and did not give any good reason for it I still wouldn’t believe the full Third Secret has been revealed or Russia has been consecrated. As far as the consecration of Russia goes, my conclusion is based on a few very simple premises: Russia was not named in the 1984 consecration, it was not done in union with the Bishops of the world, and Russia has not been converted (that and there has been no real period of peace).

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Russia was not named in the 1984 consecration

When did Russia stop being part of the world?

When Sr Lucia said that Heaven has accepted the consecration was she wrong?

 

[Brennan_Doherty]

When did Russia stop being part of the world?

When Sr Lucia said that Heaven has accepted the consecration was she wrong?

We already know Sister Lucia had rejected prior consecrations precisely because they were consecrations of “the world” and not of Russia. The request by the Blessed Mother is very clear.

Instances of Sr. Lucia purportedly saying the consecration was accepted (and thus completely reversing her stance on prior consecrations of the world) are hotly disputed, and with good reason.

And, in fact, even if Sr. Lucia for some unknown reason did completely reverse herself, and now said that a consecration of the world was sufficient, it is still up to heaven whether or not it is accepted, not Sister Lucia. The complete lack of any conversion of Russia to the Catholic Faith (compare and contrast this with what happened with Our Lady of Guadalupe and Mexico) and the lack of any real period of peace speaks volumes on whether or not heaven accepted a consecration of the world when heaven asked for a consecration of Russia. God bless.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

We already know Sister Lucia had rejected prior consecrations precisely because they were consecrations of “the world” and not of Russia. The request by the Blessed Mother is very clear.

Instances of Sr. Lucia purportedly saying the consecration was accepted (and thus completely reversing her stance on prior consecrations of the world) are hotly disputed, and with good reason.

And, in fact, even if Sr. Lucia for some unknown reason did completely reverse herself, and now said that a consecration of the world was sufficient, it is still up to heaven whether or not it is accepted, not Sister Lucia. The complete lack of any conversion of Russia to the Catholic Faith (compare and contrast this with what happened with Our Lady of Guadalupe and Mexico) and the lack of any real period of peace speaks volumes on whether or not heaven accepted a consecration of the world when heaven asked for a consecration of Russia. God bless.

So then your answers to my questions are that Sr Lucia is wrong and that Russia is not part of the world.

I think I will stand with Pope John Paul II and Sr Lucia on this though.