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estesbob
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I found the picture under a site that claims to list the 100 most important photographs ever. I suspect that is as objective as we are going to get.
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vern_humphrey
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And, although it is a picture that grabs and holds you, there is nothing intrinsic in the picture that would give it that status. It has that status because of the reaction to it.
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estesbob
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Correct-the site also has the picture that helped turn the Tet offensive froman overwhelming victory to defeat. I am sure you know which picture on referring to.
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Ani_Ibi
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You only read bits of the linked material didn’t you? You could not possibly have read the entire PDE material and come to the errant conclusion you have.
And no, I am not looking to the PDE to morally excuse people from showing graphic pictures where children can see them. It is presumptuous and aggressive of you to continue to accuse me of same. Particularly when no one on this thread has YET APPLIED THE PDE.
And your comparison is out of place.
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I think it is a continued misrepresentation of what I have said long after I have repeatedly corrected you. That is not a friendly gesture on your part. What part of that do you not understand?
It hasn’t been used in this thread. What part of that do you adamantly refuse to hear?
Really, how very charitable of you to point that out.
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Ani_Ibi
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An anthill?
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estesbob
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My thoughts exactly.
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vern_humphrey
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I do, indeed.
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Ani_Ibi
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I don’t. Is that the photo of the little girl running?
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KarenNC
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Great, as far as it goes. Doesn’t do much to prove that “everyone in America saw that picture–including children,” that it was shown indiscriminately in public to children ages 2-7, that any children ages 2-7 that did indeed see it did so without the intent or cooperation of their parents, etc.
Could you give a link to the list?
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estesbob
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Ani_Ibi
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I remember. There was the one about the monk too.
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boppaid
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Well, I have a feeling they wouldn’t be interested.
Trust me…internet discussion board aren’t their “thing”. Regardless, I asked them, and they answered me. It’s not exactly a “claim” i need to “prove” anyway…just an observation on my part, which made me feel you exaggerated a little.
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KarenNC
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I was 5 years old in 1968. I have absolutely no recollection of seeing this image until I was at least a teenager if not later. Nor have I ever seen this one from the same time period
digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm03.html
I was 3 in 1966 and have no recollection of this one either, either as a child or as an adult. digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm07.html
I was 7 when this one was taken, but it’s not one that I was saw until much later
digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm15.html
I vividly remember this one
digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm25.html
but I had graduated college 4 years previous to it.
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estesbob
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My Mother (82) knew exactly what it was. Then my dad was fightng in the South Pacific then so perhaps it stuck with her more.Well, I have a feeling they wouldn’t be interested.
I dont thnk he is exagerating at all.
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Ani_Ibi
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I don’t buy that you do not have to prove your claims. I think if you are going to say that Vern is exaggerating, then you should say why you think so. Otherwise the rest of us are not going to put much store in your OPINIONS.Well, I have a feeling they wouldn’t be interested.
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boppaid
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Ani, you’re becoming extremely defensive, and I’m not sure why. It makes it near impossible to talk with you about this. You don’t seem to be “hearing” what I’m trying to say, and your posts “sound” shrill (probably because I am upsetting you), so maybe I’m not “hearing” what you’re trying to say. When I say you aren’t “hearing” what I’m saying, it’s because I feel like you are taking serious offense when that was not intended. I gave you my interpretation of what I was seeing, and you say I’m wrong. How can my observations & interpretations be wrong? When I say “using PDE” I mean “using it in this thread”/“bringing up it”, etc.
I’m sorry my “chuckling” seemed uncharitable. I didn’t mean it to be, but I can see how you felt that way. I just feel as if I’m going in circles with you. It made me laugh. Surely you must be laughing at this exchange by now??
You know, you threw out some offensive stuff here (how many times have you called me a liar?? ), yet you seem to have trouble with my criticism. It’s not that big of a deal that I don’t agree with you. Why let it upset you?
Again, I am sorry I upset you so much. But your words have power too. (And I’ve addressed offensive stuff by you in other threads as well, if i’m not mistaken, which is coloring my views here I would imagine.)
I’m sorry my “chuckling” seemed uncharitable. I didn’t mean it to be, but I can see how you felt that way. I just feel as if I’m going in circles with you. It made me laugh. Surely you must be laughing at this exchange by now??
You know, you threw out some offensive stuff here (how many times have you called me a liar??
), yet you seem to have trouble with my criticism. It’s not that big of a deal that I don’t agree with you. Why let it upset you?Again, I am sorry I upset you so much. But your words have power too. (And I’ve addressed offensive stuff by you in other threads as well, if i’m not mistaken, which is coloring my views here I would imagine.)
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boppaid
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I emailed my aunt just now, and she does, indeed, remember these images.
I suppose if I keep asking, more will come that remember them! So far, I’m 1 for 3. But that’s all antedoctal anyway. I guess I just wanted to point out that, no, not everyone saw them.
I suppose if I keep asking, more will come that remember them!
So far, I’m 1 for 3. But that’s all antedoctal anyway. I guess I just wanted to point out that, no, not everyone saw them.
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Ani_Ibi
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If you have never applied PDE how can you have an opinion on it? It is not an easy thing to apply. As for all that baloney about shrillness and defensiveness: a lot easier than simply saying you judged PDE prematurely isn’t it?
Thank you. Leave it at that.
Um… let’s see now… never?.You know, you threw out some offensive stuff here (how many times have you called me a liar??
I have absolutely no trouble with reason and reference. Your ‘criticism’, as you so quaintly put it, has none.
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No you haven’t.
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Philothea53
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Someone on this thread said: “Life magazine also seems to have been able to show the horrors of the concentration camp in photographs in the May 7, 1945 issue without putting those photographs on the front cover.”
THIS IS NOT 1945. All of you who are so vehemently arguing against the use of photos depicting the true horrors of abortion obviously KNOW NOTHING about what the pro-life struggle has been about for 34+ years. In those 34+ years almost 50 MILLION babies have been killed. That was while we were doing it YOUR WAY. And while we were doing it your way, Planned Parenthood and the rest of the abortion industry was lying through their teeth and telling women that killing their unborn child was their choice - whether by the use of a suction machine or ripping the baby to shreds and pulling the baby out a piece at a time. While we continue to pray the photographs depict the true horror.
Meanwhile we prayed in front of abortion clinics and were charged with racketeering. One pro-life hero by the name of Joe Scheidler prolifeaction.org/about/joe.htm lost everything including his family home fighting charges against him. The case was filed in 1986 and after many decisions one way and then the other and even after SCOTUS ruled in his favor last year PP et al is still trying to contest the decision. We continue to pray.
The pro-abortion camp repeatedly spreads their lies and misrepresentations about thousands of women dying by coat hanger abortions thereby appealing to the emotions of people who don’t know enough or care enough to find out the truth for themselves and we continue to pray.
Every year we meet in Washington, D.C. to remember those who have been murdered by abortion. The MSM ignores the numbers who are there to march against abortion and for the sanctity of life and doesn’t even give it a mention. The pro-abortion side had a march where they invited every degenerate, disordered group they could to pad their numbers and it was all over television, newspapers and the Internet. Meanwhile we continued to pray.
Planned Parenthood is supposed to be a non-profit organization. Through its “Action Fund” ppaction.org/ppvotes/AboutPPAF.html and with Emily’s List emilyslist.org/, contributions are made to candidates which buy their loyalty when pro-life legistlation is introduced to make sure it doesn’t pass. In fact, these two organizations have the money to ensure that pro-abortion candidates are elected. Planned Parenthood has infiltrated every institution in our society. We don’t have the money to fight them in this way. We continue to pray.
Planned Parenthood targets the poorest areas of cities across the US and builds clinics while taking in millions of tax dollars meant for mammograms and women’s health (ha!) while being the largest provider of ‘choice’ in the nation. “For the 18th year in a row, Planned Parenthood turned a net profit. This year’s (2005) $35.2 million brings its total profits over the 18 years to $538 million.” PROFITS!! Just type ‘Planned Parenthood profit’ into your search engine to get more information about this while we continue to pray.
Are you aware that black Americans are about 12% of the population in the United States but thanks to PP they have obtained ~37% of the abortions done in this country? That’s 1 in 8 Americans are black and more than 1 in 3 of their unborn children have been murdered by abortion while we continue to pray.
Unless you have been part of this struggle you probably know very little of what I have written here. This is only the tip of the iceberg. While you all protest having to tell your children to close their eyes for a moment as you pass some signs on the street, a baby is dying through no fault of their own. While you’ve ranted and raved about your sensibilities being hurt close to 200,000 babies have died. How do you sleep at night?
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THIS IS NOT 1945. All of you who are so vehemently arguing against the use of photos depicting the true horrors of abortion obviously KNOW NOTHING about what the pro-life struggle has been about for 34+ years. In those 34+ years almost 50 MILLION babies have been killed. That was while we were doing it YOUR WAY. And while we were doing it your way, Planned Parenthood and the rest of the abortion industry was lying through their teeth and telling women that killing their unborn child was their choice - whether by the use of a suction machine or ripping the baby to shreds and pulling the baby out a piece at a time. While we continue to pray the photographs depict the true horror.
Meanwhile we prayed in front of abortion clinics and were charged with racketeering. One pro-life hero by the name of Joe Scheidler prolifeaction.org/about/joe.htm lost everything including his family home fighting charges against him. The case was filed in 1986 and after many decisions one way and then the other and even after SCOTUS ruled in his favor last year PP et al is still trying to contest the decision. We continue to pray.
The pro-abortion camp repeatedly spreads their lies and misrepresentations about thousands of women dying by coat hanger abortions thereby appealing to the emotions of people who don’t know enough or care enough to find out the truth for themselves and we continue to pray.
Every year we meet in Washington, D.C. to remember those who have been murdered by abortion. The MSM ignores the numbers who are there to march against abortion and for the sanctity of life and doesn’t even give it a mention. The pro-abortion side had a march where they invited every degenerate, disordered group they could to pad their numbers and it was all over television, newspapers and the Internet. Meanwhile we continued to pray.
Planned Parenthood is supposed to be a non-profit organization. Through its “Action Fund” ppaction.org/ppvotes/AboutPPAF.html and with Emily’s List emilyslist.org/, contributions are made to candidates which buy their loyalty when pro-life legistlation is introduced to make sure it doesn’t pass. In fact, these two organizations have the money to ensure that pro-abortion candidates are elected. Planned Parenthood has infiltrated every institution in our society. We don’t have the money to fight them in this way. We continue to pray.
Planned Parenthood targets the poorest areas of cities across the US and builds clinics while taking in millions of tax dollars meant for mammograms and women’s health (ha!) while being the largest provider of ‘choice’ in the nation. “For the 18th year in a row, Planned Parenthood turned a net profit. This year’s (2005) $35.2 million brings its total profits over the 18 years to $538 million.” PROFITS!! Just type ‘Planned Parenthood profit’ into your search engine to get more information about this while we continue to pray.
Are you aware that black Americans are about 12% of the population in the United States but thanks to PP they have obtained ~37% of the abortions done in this country? That’s 1 in 8 Americans are black and more than 1 in 3 of their unborn children have been murdered by abortion while we continue to pray.
Unless you have been part of this struggle you probably know very little of what I have written here. This is only the tip of the iceberg. While you all protest having to tell your children to close their eyes for a moment as you pass some signs on the street, a baby is dying through no fault of their own. While you’ve ranted and raved about your sensibilities being hurt close to 200,000 babies have died. How do you sleep at night?
con’t…
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