Fr. Pavone on the use of graphic images of abortion

[Philothea53]

And to this poster who claims to be pro-life yet said, “How about when I go out to lunch and have to drive by a group of protesters with huge pictures of aborted fetuses, and then have to try to eat my lunch with that nauseating image in my mind. I’m pro-life, why ruin my lunch??? It has happened and it ticked me off pretty bad.”

I have to ask: How do you drive by an abortion clinic knowing a baby is inside being RIPPED TO SHREDS and you continue on to your lunch date? How do you spend time on the computer reading the truth of what abortion is and dare to complain because you get an upset stomach over a picture? Here’s an idea - skip lunch and get on a street corner and educate people about what happens every 24 seconds in this country. Three times a minute, 150 times an hour, 3600 times a day a baby dies by their mother’s choice. Take an antacid, say a prayer, and then do what you have to do to stop the senseless slaughter. And continue to pray.

 

[Philothea53]

Pledge of Re-Commitment

I thank God today for the gift of my life and for the lives of my brothers and sisters.

I know I am responsible for the unborn who cannot speak for themselves.

I know that the most serious tragedy of our day is the tragedy of abortion.

Today I commit myself never to be silent, never to be passive, never to be forgetful of the unborn.

I commit myself to be active in the pro-lfe moverment and to never stop defending life until ALL my brothers and sisters are protected and our nation once again becomes a nation with liberty and justice, not just for some, but for all.

Amen.

 

[boppaid]

I don’t buy that you do not have to prove your claims. I think if you are going to say that Vern is exaggerating, then you should say why you think so. Otherwise the rest of us are not going to put much store in your OPINIONS.

Are you kidding me??? You want me to get people to substantiate conversations I’ve had with them that I’ve had which have colored my view?? Yeah, okay. First, let me teach my uncle how to turn on a computer, and I’m sure he’ll get right on that!! Second, I want a personal testamony from anyone you have had a conversation with that has colored your view on anything on this board. You mentioned work on another thread. What if people said “I don’t believe you. Care you have your boss substantiate???” Wouldn’t you feel terrible? And wouldn’t that seem extreme to you? But I honestly cannot believe you’re serious. Either you’re joking or this is your way of blowing off my opinion as invalid.

And how many times have you accused me of lying? Your answer was never…let me see…

You want me to prove I spoke with my uncle and dad, and you said:

You only read bits of the linked material didn’t you? You could not possibly have read the entire PDE material and come to the errant conclusion you have.

(I told you I have)

When I mentioned that I’ve addressed offensive stuff by you in other threads as well, which may have been coloring my views here you responded that wasn’t true. My sincere apologies. I am embarrassed to say I had you confused with someone else on another thread. (I just looked it up. Seriously, I feel badly that I confused you two.)

To be honest, though, you truly got my dander up when you insinuated that I was lying. I am not lying. I assure you. I have no reason to lie, because in the grand scheme of things, this is just a bulletin board.

I’m sorry I have offended you, and I’m sorry I accused you of being “shrill”. But you did come off as extremely upset to me. Maybe I misread you because I still had you confused with that other poster. It’s quite possible I suppose, so I 'm sorry for that.

I stand by my assertion, though, that I do not need to substantiate my conversations with people in life to prove to folks that I really had them. We are (mostly) all Christians here. I would hope that there wasn’t that much assumption of dishonesty. If there is, that’s very sad. I also stand by what I said about how PDE was being discussed on this thread, but on that we will simply have to agree to disagree. I don’t think you were “getting” what I was trying to say, and my head is spinning in trying to explain it you. I’m sick and tired and need to sleep.

 

[Philothea53]

Litany in Response to Abortion by Father Frank Pavone
priestsforlife.org/prayers/litanyinresponsetoabortion.html

Lord, have mercy.
Christ, have mercy.
Lord, have mercy.
Christ, hear us.
Christ, graciously hear us.
God the Father, Creator of the world,
RESPONSE: Have mercy on us.
God the Son, through whom all things were made,
God the Holy Spirit, Lord and Giver of Life,
Lord Jesus, the Beginning and the End,
Lord Jesus, the Way, the Truth, and the Life,
Lord Jesus, the Resurrection and the Life,
Lord Jesus, Eternal Word of Life,
Lord Jesus, living in the womb of the Virgin Mary,
Lord Jesus, Lover of the Poor and weak,
Lord jesus, Defender of the helpless,
Lord Jesus, Bread of Life,
For every sin against life,
For the sin of abortion,
For the daily killing of innocent babies,
For the bloodshed throughout our land,
For the silent screams of Your children,
For the killing of YOur future disciples,
For the exploitation of women by abortion,
For the silence of Your people,
For the apathy of Your people,
For the co-operation of Your people in this tragedy,
For our pre-born brothers and sisters killed by abortion,
RESPONSE: Lord, hear our prayer.
For our pre-born brothers and sisters threatened by abortion,
For our brothers and sisters who have survived abortion,
For mothers who have had abortions,
For mothers tempted to have abortions,
For mothers pressured to have abortions,
For mothers who have refused to have abortions,
For the fathers of aborted babies,
For the families of aborted babies,
For the families of those tempted to have abortions
For abortionists,
For all who assist and cooperate in abortions,
For doctors and nurses, that they may nurture life,
For government leaders, that they may defend life,
For the clergy, that they may speak up for life,
For the pro-life movement,
For those who speak, write, and work to end abortion,
For those who help provide alternatives to abortion…
For those who promote adoption,
For national and local pro-life groups,
For unity in the pro-life movement,
For courage and perseverance in pro-life work,
For those who suffer ridicule and rejection for their stand for life,
For those imprisoned for defending life,
For those who have been injured and mistreated for defending life,
For legal professionals,
For courts and judges,
For police officers,
For educators,
For media professionals,
In thanksgiving for the babies saved from abortion,
In thanksgiving for the mothers saved and healed from abortion,
In thanksgiving for the former abortion providers who have become pro-life,
In thanksgiving for all those who take a stand against abortion,
In thanksgiving for the call to be part of the pro-life movement,

Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, spare us, O Lord.

Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, graciously hear us,

O Lord, Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.

Let us Pray

Almighty and ever-living God, You have created all things through Your Son Jesus Christ. He trampled the power of death by His Paschal Mystery. May all who acknowledge You promote the sacredness of life and always serve You faithfully, through the same Christ our Lord.

Amen.

 

[Philothea53]

Prayer to the Virgin Mary

O Mary, Mother of Jesus and Mother of us all, we turn to you today as the one who said “Yes” to Life. “You will conceive and bear a Son,” the angel told you. Despite the surprise and the uncertainty about how this could be, you said yes. “Be it done unto me according to your word.”

Mary, we pray today for all mothers who are afraid to be mothers. We pray for those who feel threatened and overwhelmed by their pregnancy. Intercede for them, that God may give them the grace to say yes and the courage to go on. May they have the grace to reject the false solution of abortion. May they say with you, “Be it done unto me according to your word.” May they experience the help of Christian people, and know the peace that comes from doing God’s will. Amen.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

bobpaid, you are flaming. I think replying to you is only reinforcing your attempts to grab negative attention however way you can grab it.

 

[seekerz]

And to this poster who claims to be pro-life yet said, “How about when I go out to lunch and have to drive by a group of protesters with huge pictures of aborted fetuses, and then have to try to eat my lunch with that nauseating image in my mind. I’m pro-life, why ruin my lunch??? It has happened and it ticked me off pretty bad.”

I have to ask: How do you drive by an abortion clinic knowing a baby is inside being RIPPED TO SHREDS and you continue on to your lunch date? How do you spend time on the computer reading the truth of what abortion is and dare to complain because you get an upset stomach over a picture? Here’s an idea - skip lunch and get on a street corner and educate people about what happens every 24 seconds in this country. Three times a minute, 150 times an hour, 3600 times a day a baby dies by their mother’s choice. Take an antacid, say a prayer, and then do what you have to do to stop the senseless slaughter. And continue to pray.

Philothea53, you need to take a chill pill. Abortion is seriously wrong and many people work against it in their own way. And yes, there are wrong ways to fight against evil.

This is a discussion about the appropriateness of using graphic abortion photos indiscriminately. This discussion is on a forum where people are encouraged to air their opinions.

If you don’t like the debate, my suggestion is: avoid it. Don’t cast aspersions on posters. This tired old “if you don’t agree with every pro-life tactic, you’re pro-choice” argument, needs to be buried because it just ain’t valid.

Have you ever risked losing everything in a stand against abortion? I have. Does that make you better than me or me better than you? Does that take away either of our rights to discuss pro-life tactics? No.

While posters here either debate or seek to stifle debate, prochoicers on the net are getting ever more sophisticated and callous in their arguments.

The idea that people who abort don’t know it’s a baby with fingers and toes inside of them, is laughable to some of the posters I’ve met on abortion sites. They’re way past the old “blob of cells” argument. Some truly don’t even seem to care whether it is a baby or alive or human - all they care about is the ‘right’ to not have it in them and their ‘right’ to have sex without what they consider ‘punishment’.

So maybe in the end we’re beating up ourselves over nothing because from what I’ve seen in some of those forums, it’s going to take more than gory pictures to get through to many of these women - it’s going to take nothing less than the grace of God.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

seekerz:

Philothea53, you need to take a chill pill.

A chill pill? Why? Because she has a point of view? O gosh that is so … er… unique.

seekerz:

This discussion is on a forum where people are encouraged to air their opinions.

Then why did you tell Philothea to take a chill pill?

seekerz:

If you don’t like the debate, my suggestion is: avoid it.

The posting of strawmen is reaching operatic proportions.

seekerz:

Don’t cast aspersions on posters.

This is where the lady on the red pony dismounts and sings her aria: Oh Pot! Meet Mr Kettle! (It is much better in the original French btw.)

seekerz:

This tired old “if you don’t agree with every pro-life tactic, you’re pro-choice” argument, needs to be buried because it just ain’t valid.

Who said that? The chorus?

seekerz:

Have you ever risked losing everything in a stand against abortion? I have. Does that make you better than me or me better than you? Does that take away either of our rights to discuss pro-life tactics? No.

Does it make her less qualified to voice a point of view? Is this a contest? I hope not. btw I received threats for my pro-life activities. A truly frightening scenario. Something I would not recommend anyone repeat.

seekerz:

While posters here either debate or seek to stifle debate, prochoicers on the net are getting ever more sophisticated and callous in their arguments.

And…

seekerz:

…it’s going to take more than gory pictures to get through to many of these women - it’s going to take nothing less than the grace of God.

OK, on this I will agree. But how many of those folks have abortions? Did Margaret Sanger have abortions? Or was that a ‘privilege’ extended to others?

 

[Philothea53]

Philothea53, you need to take a chill pill. Abortion is seriously wrong and many people work against it in their own way. And yes, there are wrong ways to fight against evil.

This is a discussion about the appropriateness of using graphic abortion photos indiscriminately. This discussion is on a forum where people are encouraged to air their opinions.

If you don’t like the debate, my suggestion is: avoid it. Don’t cast aspersions on posters. This tired old “if you don’t agree with every pro-life tactic, you’re pro-choice” argument, needs to be buried because it just ain’t valid.

Have you ever risked losing everything in a stand against abortion? I have. Does that make you better than me or me better than you? Does that take away either of our rights to discuss pro-life tactics? No.

While posters here either debate or seek to stifle debate, prochoicers on the net are getting ever more sophisticated and callous in their arguments.

The idea that people who abort don’t know it’s a baby with fingers and toes inside of them, is laughable to some of the posters I’ve met on abortion sites. They’re way past the old “blob of cells” argument. Some truly don’t even seem to care whether it is a baby or alive or human - all they care about is the ‘right’ to not have it in them and their ‘right’ to have sex without what they consider ‘punishment’.

So maybe in the end we’re beating up ourselves over nothing because from what I’ve seen in some of these forums, it’s going to take more than gory pictures to get through to many of these women - it’s going to take nothing less than the grace of God.

At this point in time in the fight to stop abortion, there is no such thing as an inappropriate use of graphic photos. The photos are not only appropriate, they are necessary to counter the tactics of the abortion industry. For those who are not active in the pro-life struggle, the facts I posted may help them to understand this. And while Internet posters may be knowledgeable enough to know that the baby a women is aborting has fingers and toes the people I spoke to at our State Fair this past Saturday while I worked the Right to Life booth, who most probably don’t even have computers, were amazed to learn just how developed a baby is so early in a pregnancy. As a matter of fact, they were astonished when they picked up the little plastic models of a 12-week old pre-born baby at how it looked just like a baby! It was so sad to watch the few women who walked by who crossed to the other side of the aisle and made faces like they smelled something bad when they saw our booth. I had to wonder if they knew the truth.

Seekerz, If you don’t like my way, avoid my posts. You are as free to do that as these people who complain about the use of the pictures are to not look at them. You champion the right of yourself and others to voice your opinions, in fact, they are “encouraged to air their opinions” yet you tell me to take a chill pill. It’s really a shame that while the pro-abortion faction is so organized and of one mind, there are those who are supposedly on the same side criticizing and chasing away those who aren’t doing things according to their way. Sorry, but I’m not going anywhere.

 

[seekerz]

A chill pill? Why? Because she has a point of view? O gosh that is so … er… unique.

Then why did you tell Philothea to take a chill pill?

The posting of strawmen is reaching operatic proportions.

This is where the lady on the red pony dismounts and sings her aria: Oh Pot! Meet Mr Kettle! (It is much better in the original French btw.)

Who said that? The chorus?

Does it make her less qualified to voice a point of view? Is this a contest? I hope not. btw I received threats for my pro-life activities. A truly frightening scenario. Something I would not recommend anyone repeat.

And…

OK, on this I will agree. But how many of those folks have abortions? Did Margaret Sanger have abortions? Or was that a ‘privilege’ extended to others?

Philothea’s comments are criticizing posters for being against the graphic images and suggesting that rather than airing their opinions they should be on the street corners fighting abortion. This thread was created to discuss graphic images, not how to fight abortion on street corners. To cast aspersions on the pro-life committment of posters or to tell them to go engage in other activity simply because they disagree with the graphics, is uncalled for.

As for your last comments, the attitudes I’m discussing are of people who have had abortions or who would choose them if pregnant, not of people convincing others to have abortions. Since many here seemed so sure of what would work I decided to see for myself what proabortion folk had to say on their forums. Needless to say, I have been shocked into reality.

 

[sprout]

Pilothea,

Bless your heart for the passion you have in defending life.

But I think it’s important that you keep your audience in mind here.

When you say:

Unless you have been part of this struggle you probably know very little of what I have written here. This is only the tip of the iceberg. While you all protest having to tell your children to close their eyes for a moment as you pass some signs on the street, a baby is dying through no fault of their own. While you’ve ranted and raved about your sensibilities being hurt close to 200,000 babies have died. How do you sleep at night?

I know very well all of the issues you brought up in that post. I, and many others who oppose the** indiscriminate use** of these images DO WORK in the anit-abortion/prolife cause and have done so for a long, long time. I’ve even quoted a ProLife Bishop who is critical of the INDISCRIMINATE use of these images.

It’s a total mischaracterization of mine and others position to claim that we are against ALL USES of these images. I haven’t seen one post in this thread that has said as much. The “issue” is the lack of discernment by some, not all, in using these images.

You’re fighting against a strawman when you mischaracterize this way.

This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of “reasoning” has the following pattern:

Person A has position X.
Opposed to the Indiscriminate use of violent graphic images so that young children will unnecessarily be exposed.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Opposed to ALL use of violent graphic images of abortion.
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

 

[boppaid]

bobpaid, you are flaming. I think replying to you is only reinforcing your attempts to grab negative attention however way you can grab it.

Okay. I don’t know what to say to that. I don’t know that I received negative attention from anyone but you, and if I were searching for it, I certainly wouldn’t have put myself out on a limb by apologizing my last post and trying to explain myself. But, whatever. You’re not going to respond anyway.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

seekerz: I heard you the first time. I am getting the impression that many of you are comporting yourselves as though pro-life is a competition.

I am going to do what I can do. Then I am going to leave the rest for what others can do. I am not going bash those others. That’s my decision. I’ve made it.

 

[seekerz]

At this point in time in the fight to stop abortion, there is no such thing as an inappropriate use of graphic photos. The photos are not only appropriate, they are necessary to counter the tactics of the abortion industry. For those who are not active in the pro-life struggle, the facts I posted may help them to understand this. And while Internet posters may be knowledgeable enough to know that the baby a women is aborting has fingers and toes the people I spoke to at our State Fair this past Saturday while I worked the Right to Life booth, who most probably don’t even have computers, were amazed to learn just how developed a baby is so early in a pregnancy. As a matter of fact, they were astonished when they picked up the little plastic models of a 12-week old pre-born baby at how it looked just like a baby! It was so sad to watch the few women who walked by who crossed to the other side of the aisle and made faces like they smelled something bad when they saw our booth. I had to wonder if they knew the truth.

Seekerz, If you don’t like my way, avoid my posts. You are as free to do that as these people who complain about the use of the pictures are to not look at them. You champion the right of yourself and others to voice your opinions, in fact, they are “encouraged to air their opinions” yet you tell me to take a chill pill. It’s really a shame that while the pro-abortion faction is so organized and of one mind, there are those who are supposedly on the same side criticizing and chasing away those who aren’t doing things according to their way. Sorry, but I’m not going anywhere.

I wouldn’t want you to go anywhere, but it’s one thing to debate a topic and another to belittle posters because they dare to voice an opinion on a topic where opinions were solicited. Your post implied that one of the posters “who claimed to be pro-life” would do better to go fight abortion on the street corners. Why would you want her to not voice her opinion?

You’re staying right here - fine; so should she. If graphics turn her stomach, she has a right to state that and not be asked uncharitably to take an antacid. The thread asked for her opinion, she gave one. Why the attack?

 

[seekerz]

seekerz: I heard you the first time. I am getting the impression that many of you are comporting yourselves as though pro-life is a competition.

I am going to do what I can do. Then I am going to leave the rest for what others can do. I am not going bash those others. That’s my decision. I’ve made it.

I’m not part of any competition but it seems impossible to discuss certain issues without personal attacks and that what I see here repeatedly. A poster voices an opinion against indiscriminate graphic photos, they get attacked for not being prolife. That’s no way to debate.

 

[KarenNC]

Planned Parenthood is supposed to be a non-profit organization. Through its “Action Fund” ppaction.org/ppvotes/AboutPPAF.html and with Emily’s List emilyslist.org/, contributions are made to candidates which buy their loyalty when pro-life legistlation is introduced to make sure it doesn’t pass. In fact, these two organizations have the money to ensure that pro-abortion candidates are elected. Planned Parenthood has infiltrated every institution in our society. We don’t have the money to fight them in this way. We continue to pray.

If that is the case, can you explain why there are any politicians that you categorize as prolife? Do you have numbers on the percentage of pro-life candidates vs. actual pro-“choice of abortion at all times under all circumstances” vs. those who may fall somewhere along that continuum?

Planned Parenthood targets the poorest areas of cities across the US and builds clinics while taking in millions of tax dollars meant for mammograms and women’s health (ha!) while being the largest provider of ‘choice’ in the nation. “For the 18th year in a row, Planned Parenthood turned a net profit. This year’s (2005) $35.2 million brings its total profits over the 18 years to $538 million.” PROFITS!! Just type ‘Planned Parenthood profit’ into your search engine to get more information about this while we continue to pray.

Could you provide evidence for your implication that Planned Parenthood is diverting funds intended for other health care services to pay for abortions?

It is poor areas that have the least access to health care, so why in the world would an organization that provides free or low cost health care not build clinics in poor areas?

Planned Parenthood’s annual report for 2005-2006
plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/Annual_report.pdf

Abortion services make up 3% of their service provision. 20% went to cancer screening and prevention, 29% to STD/STI testing and treatment, 37% to contraception services (which reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, though I know that Catholics disagree with contraception other than NFP), 10% to other women’s health services and 1% to “other” services. They provided 264,943 abortions in 2005. This is hardly the majority of the 1.3 million abortions estimated by the Guttmacher Institute.

Slide 14 of this summary shows the breakdown of hospital vs. large nonhospital and small hospital providers over the years.
guttmacher.org/presentations/trends.pdf

Nonprofits are restricted in how they use any profits, not forbidden to make any profits

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization

Are you aware that black Americans are about 12% of the population in the United States but thanks to PP they have obtained ~37% of the abortions done in this country?

63% of the women who have abortions are white, though black women are 3 times more likely than whites to have an abortion, Hispanic 2.5 times. p. 6 of the guttmacher report also shows breakdown by race.

mnstate.edu/gracyk/courses/phil%20115/Stats_on_abortion.htm

Socioeconomic and marital status have a lot to do with whether a woman chooses an abortion
guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3422602.html

African Americans and Latinos are more likely to fall into lower socioeconomic groups
bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/socy441/trends/povrace.html

 

[vern_humphrey]

I’m not part of any competition but it seems impossible to discuss certain issues without personal attacks and that what I see here repeatedly. A poster voices an opinion against indiscriminate graphic photos, they get attacked for not being prolife. That’s no way to debate.

Actually, the first attacks were on the people in favor of showing the pictures. There were about three threads on this, and for the offense simply defending of those who were opposed to showing the pictures, I’ve had this thrown at me:

Out of interest, are you the type that blows up clinics to prevent abortions? Do you consider that to be an acceptable way to save babies? That would save babies but have harmful consequences. I am curious - would you go that far?

Do you know what Vern? You are not worth the words. I am pulling out. I am sick of your extremism. You are not any better than a pro-choicer - just different in your approach! BTW you aren now on ignore and there to stay! Good riddance!

Those who oppose people using the pictures in question are hardly shining examples of gentlemanly debate and Christian charity, now are they?

Note that my “extremism” in the second quoted section consists merely of suggesting that those in the pro-life movement should act as their consciences move them.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

I’m not part of any competition but it seems impossible to discuss certain issues without personal attacks and that what I see here repeatedly. A poster voices an opinion against indiscriminate graphic photos, they get attacked for not being prolife. That’s no way to debate.

OK. I understand what you are saying. My beef is that there is little room for teamplaying in the pro-life arena. I have found that on these threads as well as out there in the world. I have had the very good blessing of meeting an Evangelical with whom I got on like a house on fire. We were a team in spite of our docrinal differences.

Folks, if we expect to make any inroads into the practice of killing the unborn, we have to exercise some self-discipline. Let those who are good at one thing do that thing. If you can’t join in then tune out. Do your own thing. But stop picking fights. And stop criticising other folks for doing what they are good at. That is just plain ridiculous!

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Do you know what Vern? You are not worth the words. I am pulling out. I am sick of your extremism. You are not any better than a pro-choicer - just different in your approach! BTW you aren now on ignore and there to stay! Good riddance!

And did I get ignored? Ooooooh noooooo! Not Ani! Ani got flamed! Double standard or what?

:crying:

 

[Philothea53]

If that is the case, can you explain why there are any politicians that you categorize as prolife? Do you have numbers on the percentage of pro-life candidates vs. actual pro-“choice of abortion at all times under all circumstances” vs. those who may fall somewhere along that continuum?

What??

Could you provide evidence for your implication that Planned Parenthood is diverting funds intended for other health care services to pay for abortions?

Never said they were diverting funds.

It is poor areas that have the least access to health care, so why in the world would an organization that provides free or low cost health care not build clinics in poor areas?

Planned Parenthood is not in the business of free of low cost health care. Planned Parenthood is in the business of taking our tax dollars along with the income generated from the abortions it does and laughing all the way to the bank.

Planned Parenthood’s annual report for 2005-2006
plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/Annual_report.pdf

Abortion services make up 3% of their service provision. 20% went to cancer screening and prevention, 29% to STD/STI testing and treatment, 37% to contraception services (which reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, though I know that Catholics disagree with contraception other than NFP), 10% to other women’s health services and 1% to “other” services. They provided 264,943 abortions in 2005. This is hardly the majority of the 1.3 million abortions estimated by the Guttmacher Institute.

Never said it was the majority. Nonetheless, PP is still the largest provider of baby killing by abortion of any other entity.

Nonprofits are restricted in how they use any profits, not forbidden to make any profits

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization

And you see no problem with an organization whose funds come from taxpayer dollars and abortions making the profit that they do?

63% of the women who have abortions are white, though black women are 3 times more likely than whites to have an abortion, Hispanic 2.5 times. p. 6 of the guttmacher report also shows breakdown by race.

mnstate.edu/gracyk/courses/phil%20115/Stats_on_abortion.htm

Socioeconomic and marital status have a lot to do with whether a woman chooses an abortion
guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3422602.html

African Americans and Latinos are more likely to fall into lower socioeconomic groups
bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/socy441/trends/povrace.html

I fail to see a point here except a reiteration of statistics I already provided. The point I made about these is that PP targets areas that are primarily black and poor. Margaret Sanger eugenics at work.