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Ferdinand_Mary
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For those who don’t know, 1000 posts is the ceiling cap per particular thread.
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sprout
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Well I’ll certainly have to take your word for it that may have been what you meant, but I’m not a mind reader and can only read what you’ve posted in response. Perhaps you can tell me where I’m supposed to gather from reading this:QUOTE=Ani Ibi;2657112
I didn’t say that it did. You are saying that I said that it did. That is a strawman. What I was talking about was being careful to note the companies who contribute to Planned Parenthood and similar enterprises. And to vote with our pocketbooks. I am really puzzled. What part of that was not clear?
that what you really really meant to say was about “being careful to note the companies who contribute to Planned Parenthood and similar enterprises. And to vote with our pocketbooks”?
Oh, so you not only expect others to be mindreaders, but are one yourself as well. I seeEEEeeee.
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Ani_Ibi
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Sprout, you are not discussing anything. Only jumping on the tiniest opportunities for conflict. What I posted was posted in plain English. If you can’t understand it then get yourself an English to English translator. Stonewalling is a behaviour. Behaviours can be observed. One doesn’t need to be a mindreader to observe stonewalling. One also doesn’t need to be a mindreader to discern efforts at thread derailing.
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sprout
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likewise:thumbsup:
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boppaid
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Careful, Sprout…you’re getting close to being called a “Flamer” like me! (What did mama say? Sticks and stones…
)Seriously, Sprout, I get what you’re saying, and I think you make excellent points.
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KarenNC
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Nope, fraid not. If I was unclear enough in any post to leave that impression, please let me know which one and I will be glad to explain what it really said.I thought she conceded the discussion.
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s4angel
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This brings back memories of when I was pregnant with my oldest daughter Sam. My ex wanted me to have an abortion and I refused never could I harm my child in this way. I wish that I could hold all of those that were unwanted in my womb and just love them and show them the beautiful miracle of life. If I had given in with my youngest child or my son when everyone turned their backs on me this would have been the result how much better that they drive me nuts and that each nite I feel thier little arms and hear thier voices tell me they love me. How blessed I am with every uncertainty I face when struggling to survive each day as a single parent that my life is dedicated to loving each one of them.
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Teflon93
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Were it not for the photos of the concentration camps, Holocaust denial would be mainstream today.
The photos are what make the evil we would otherwise avert our eyes from undeniable fact.
It is impossible to remain completely detached from such evidence, as we are strongly visual creatures.
In order to avoid confronting the moral implications of what we have been doing with great frequency since 1973, we have adopted the analogy of the medical procedure. We have treated human beings as disposable tissue, as warts or tonsils or tumors. The emphasis has not been so much on making abortion safe, legal, or rare as it has been to make it invisible.
Images are necessary because there will come a time when the pendulum will swing, and the last portion of the arc will only come as those who have hitherto sought every rationalization and every legalism to avoid the moral implications of abortion open their eyes and see what we have done.
It is difficult for us to judge the proper employment of such imagery because it is not necessary for us. We don’t need it.
Others do.
Just as for some number of us the rumors of the horrors of Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen in cold print would be sufficient, whereas the full reality didn’t hit home for others until they saw those poor, emaciated people and those mass graves.
Abortion is our slavery, our Holocaust. And as with all great crimes in the long history of man’s inhumanity toward man, the record must be kept until the day when enough of us are prepared to see, and prepared to cease.
The photos are what make the evil we would otherwise avert our eyes from undeniable fact.
It is impossible to remain completely detached from such evidence, as we are strongly visual creatures.
In order to avoid confronting the moral implications of what we have been doing with great frequency since 1973, we have adopted the analogy of the medical procedure. We have treated human beings as disposable tissue, as warts or tonsils or tumors. The emphasis has not been so much on making abortion safe, legal, or rare as it has been to make it invisible.
Images are necessary because there will come a time when the pendulum will swing, and the last portion of the arc will only come as those who have hitherto sought every rationalization and every legalism to avoid the moral implications of abortion open their eyes and see what we have done.
It is difficult for us to judge the proper employment of such imagery because it is not necessary for us. We don’t need it.
Others do.
Just as for some number of us the rumors of the horrors of Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen in cold print would be sufficient, whereas the full reality didn’t hit home for others until they saw those poor, emaciated people and those mass graves.
Abortion is our slavery, our Holocaust. And as with all great crimes in the long history of man’s inhumanity toward man, the record must be kept until the day when enough of us are prepared to see, and prepared to cease.
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KarenNC
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We’ve already established you don’t know how to evalute “studies.” That lesson comes after you complete your present assignment.You are drawing a moral equivallency between showing pictures of the results of an abortion and **performing **an abortion?!?!
I’m afraid that the only thing I can see that we have established is that there has been a definite dearth of evidence presented to actually support assertions that it is not possible for anyone to reduce abortions (or make them less effective at doing so) without showing these photos in ways that we know parents cannot reasonably avoid having their preschool children exposed to them against their will.
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sprout
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Yeah, I didn’t follow that whole “flamer” argument either. Perhaps we need some “mind reading” glasses.Careful, Sprout…you’re getting close to being called a “Flamer” like me! (What did mama say? Sticks and stones…
Seriously, Sprout, I get what you’re saying, and I think you make excellent points.
At least I make an effort to actually post what I’m thinking rather than expect people to read my mind! In fact, I find it annoying when people “read into” what I post rather than actually reading, but that’s just me!
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estesbob
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I hope we get there soon
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boppaid
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God bless you.
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boppaid
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At first, I thought she was calling me gay!
I still am not 100% sure what it means, but deducing from her post, I think it means someone who likes negative attention? I thought I was merely discussing the topic at hand. It just so happened she didn’t like what I was saying.
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estesbob
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estesbob
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All of them.Nope, fraid not. If I was unclear enough in any post to leave that impression, please let me know which one and I will be glad to explain what it really said.
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bmmckinney
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You know Karen I can’t even post how Ifeel about your rediculous and pathetic arguments. Sorry but its the truth. You care more about people’s feelings then saving babies.
You can’t provide one single schred of evidence that hurting someone’s feelings is worse then killing unborn babies.
Do you know why its ok to show the truth, because Jesus did it, He did say that He didn’t come to bring peace but conflict.
Not only that but there are so many Catholics who have had abortions because their cowardly mothers didn’t teach them right from wrong.
Its a good thing that babies get upset if they see pictures of abortion, it means they have a functioning conscience. What is sad is that by the time children are 10 they are mostly prochoice and engaged in online sex or watching stuff they shouldn’t be.
You want to not have to worry about this, then help end abortion and stop talking about it. Accept that some children will get upset as we seek to save the unborn ones.
You can’t provide one single schred of evidence that hurting someone’s feelings is worse then killing unborn babies.
Do you know why its ok to show the truth, because Jesus did it, He did say that He didn’t come to bring peace but conflict.
Not only that but there are so many Catholics who have had abortions because their cowardly mothers didn’t teach them right from wrong.
Its a good thing that babies get upset if they see pictures of abortion, it means they have a functioning conscience. What is sad is that by the time children are 10 they are mostly prochoice and engaged in online sex or watching stuff they shouldn’t be.
You want to not have to worry about this, then help end abortion and stop talking about it. Accept that some children will get upset as we seek to save the unborn ones.
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Ani_Ibi
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I have. I don’t think Karen is special in that regard. Just another day – or summer it seems – in the life of Vern Humphrey.
The thing about being committed to success is being willing to do all the little things along the way that are asked of us. To onlookers it may look like a series of glorious campaigns and victories but it is really a series of much smaller – mundane, if you will – gestures.
And not flinching in the face of intimidation. I am sure you know that, having been in the prolife trenches for as long as you have. Life is precious.
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KarenNC
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Wow. I would like to see the basis for this particular statement. You must know a very …interesting…group of kids if this is your impression if the 10 year olds of your acquaintance are “engaged in online sex.”
My arguments stand on their own merits. I have provided citations and sources (characterized pejoratively as “document dumps”) for all of them so that folks are more than welcome to check the basis and likely reliability and relevance of any of them.
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bmmckinney
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Karen,
Your arguments don’t have a schred of merit or validity. They are a joke actually. Anyone with common sense understands that if you can save someone from being murdered by making someone else cry then you always save a life.
Frankly as I’ve stated before it can’t be more clear that you aren’t someone who is prolife, you are either an abortion advocate or you are profeelings.
During the civil rights movement you would have been against Martin Luther King Jr’s successful tactics because they might have upset some young children, during the fight against slavery you would have done the same, the same with ending any historical form of genocide or injustice.
People like you are the reason we failed as an established prolife movement in this country for 35 years and are going to be held somewhat responsible in history for this atrocity and even more so because there is a group out there who figured it out and is doing the work to end abortion. If you are indeed against abortion then your motives are simply selfish in nature because its all about my “feelings” of other peoples "feelings instead of other people’s lives.
Frankly if you actually have a child who would get upset after seeing these photos it would show that you aren’t a good parent as I’ve met so many who’s children are perfectly capable of handing these photos from even the age of 4 and up. Sure there might be the occasional extremely sensitive young person but I’ve never come across one, only older children above the age reason who complain just as you do that little children shouldn’t be seeing this. That’s completely rediculous of an argument. Not even one woman has committed suicide after seeing these photos.
CBR saves about 1-2 children across the world each week that they know of directly simply because of their photos or video. I’ve done it myself.
People like yourself will make ANY excuse to try and keep abortion from ending, you just happen to chose feelings today.
Your arguments don’t have a schred of merit or validity. They are a joke actually. Anyone with common sense understands that if you can save someone from being murdered by making someone else cry then you always save a life.
Frankly as I’ve stated before it can’t be more clear that you aren’t someone who is prolife, you are either an abortion advocate or you are profeelings.
During the civil rights movement you would have been against Martin Luther King Jr’s successful tactics because they might have upset some young children, during the fight against slavery you would have done the same, the same with ending any historical form of genocide or injustice.
People like you are the reason we failed as an established prolife movement in this country for 35 years and are going to be held somewhat responsible in history for this atrocity and even more so because there is a group out there who figured it out and is doing the work to end abortion. If you are indeed against abortion then your motives are simply selfish in nature because its all about my “feelings” of other peoples "feelings instead of other people’s lives.
Frankly if you actually have a child who would get upset after seeing these photos it would show that you aren’t a good parent as I’ve met so many who’s children are perfectly capable of handing these photos from even the age of 4 and up. Sure there might be the occasional extremely sensitive young person but I’ve never come across one, only older children above the age reason who complain just as you do that little children shouldn’t be seeing this. That’s completely rediculous of an argument. Not even one woman has committed suicide after seeing these photos.
CBR saves about 1-2 children across the world each week that they know of directly simply because of their photos or video. I’ve done it myself.
People like yourself will make ANY excuse to try and keep abortion from ending, you just happen to chose feelings today.
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