Fr. Richard Rhor

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Is anyone familiar with the work of fr. Richard Rhor and how does his work match up with the teachings of the Church?
 
Fr. Rohr is a Franciscan priest and the founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation. If you are interested in mature (2nd half of life) spirituality then he is a MUST read. If you are only interested in religion and the tenants of the faith then he will probably rub you as heretical (as many here claim). It takes a mature level of seeing to understand the mystics and all great spiritual teachers. I would say Fr. Rohr is among the best and most vocal in our times.
 
tskrobacz said:
It takes a mature level of seeing to understand the mystics and all great spiritual teachers.
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Which pretty much puts paid to any potential criticism of or question about Fr. Rohr’s orthodoxy (or lack thereof). :rolleyes:
 
Here’s a question, Tskrobacz: At Cardinal Mahoney’s education congress held in the LA Archdiocese in 2001, did or did not Fr. Rohr say "‘Everything the Catholic Church offers in the way of its sacramental rituals and moral and doctrinal teachings is an obstacle to having a relationship with God.’ ?
 
Hugely into the enneagram. Even wrote a book about it.

Father Mitch Pacwa has seriously warned against the enneagram.

Draw your own conclusion 😉
 
tskrobacz said:
Fr. Rohr is a Franciscan priest and the founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation. If you are interested in mature (2nd half of life) spirituality then he is a MUST read. If you are only interested in religion and the tenants of the faith then he will probably rub you as heretical (as many here claim). It takes a mature level of seeing to understand the mystics and all great spiritual teachers. I would say Fr. Rohr is among the best and most vocal in our times.
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I think this is fairly accurate. Fr. Rohr promotes a spirituality that sometimes does not line up with Catholic teaching. However, it is completely possible to be interested in mature spirituality AND the tenents of the faith, in which case, he would not be a “must read”.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Here’s a question, Tskrobacz: At Cardinal Mahoney’s education congress held in the LA Archdiocese in 2001, did or did not Fr. Rohr say "‘Everything the Catholic Church offers in the way of its sacramental rituals and moral and doctrinal teachings is an obstacle to having a relationship with God.’ ?
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Fr. Rohr also said that all things, at their deepest level are holy and at the surface profane. Unless you are willing to dig to the deeper understanding of such comments in the context of his broader teachings, you are likely to draw judgements and conclusions that are 180 degrees off point.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Hugely into the enneagram. Even wrote a book about it.

Father Mitch Pacwa has seriously warned against the enneagram.

Draw your own conclusion 😉
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It’s too bad that Father Pacwa is not open to the workings of the Spirit in both traditional and non-traditional ways - Fr. Rohr invites us to see the possibility of God in all peoples and all of creation.

Draw your own conclusion
 
tskrobacz said:
Fr. Rohr also said that all things, at their deepest level are holy and at the surface profane. Unless you are willing to dig to the deeper understanding of such comments in the context of his broader teachings, you are likely to draw judgements and conclusions that are 180 degrees off point.
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And if someone wants to believe that, I certainly cannot stop them. What you’ve related as coming from Fr. Rohr is completely out of sync with, for one, St. Thomas Aquinas, whose work is what the Church STILL uses to articulate Her ancient faith. The above also sounds a bit Gnostic.

Regarding his comment at the congress, there is nothing that the Church proposes to Her people that could mislead them, on any level. She is incapable of doing so (even Her disciplines enjoy a negative infallibility, ie, at the least, they cannot lead the faithful into impiety). If Fr. Rohr said it, then he has radically departed from Catholic teaching.
 
The problem with the usage of “mature spirituality” as implied above is obvious.

It tries to claim all the middle and high ground without contest, and by implication it sneers at anything other than itself. This is a common technique among the “enlightened” whisker pulling, nose-turned-upward crowd.

I challenge anything like a “mature spirituality”…when Jesus himself told us that we should be like a child. We are indeed and always will be children of God. And there’s a canyon’s distance between child-like and childish.

In fact, claiming one has a mature spirituality or needs to pursue a “mature” spirituality is actually putting an insurmountable obstacle in the way of “having a relationship with God”.

And worse, leading others to think that they need to pursue such a mature spirituality is leading them away from the Truth and humility. Might as well put a millstone around one’s neck.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
And if someone wants to believe that, I certainly cannot stop them. What you’ve related as coming from Fr. Rohr is completely out of sync with, for one, St. Thomas Aquinas, whose work is what the Church STILL uses to articulate Her ancient faith. The above also sounds a bit Gnostic.

Regarding his comment at the congress, there is nothing that the Church proposes to Her people that could mislead them, on any level. She is incapable of doing so (even Her disciplines enjoy a negative infallibility, ie, at the least, they cannot lead the faithful into impiety). If Fr. Rohr said it, then he has radically departed from Catholic teaching.
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“deepest level are holy and at the surface profane” sounds like he leans to gnosticsm (a formal heresy). The Church actually teaches that what God created - including the material world - is good.

I know, I know…I don’t have the IQ points to penetrate the mind expanding thoughts of the good Father Rhor. But I smell ideas warmed over the centuries.
 
Holly3278 said:
Here is an excellent article on the New Age from the PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR CULTURE PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE. Sorry about the title being in all caps. I copied and pasted it so I made sure I spelled it right and it was in all caps where I copied it from. Here’s the article:

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html

You can’t get more reliable information than from the Magisterium Herself!
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Holly, wow. Just when I thought I didn’t have anything substantial to read this weekend, this!

This is solid stuff, a real intellectual treatment. It will take a while to get through.

Thanks.
 
Edward_H said:
“deepest level are holy and at the surface profane” sounds like he leans to gnosticsm (a formal heresy). The Church actually teaches that what God created - including the material world - is good.

I know, I know…I don’t have the IQ points to penetrate the mind expanding thoughts of the good Father Rhor. But I smell ideas warmed over the centuries.
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Wow such harsh criticism. You do realize he is a Catholic priest in good standing? I’m grateful for all priests, Saints and Mystics that expand our minds to fully appreciate the almighty God of the universe. I have no need to agree with 100% of anything from any individual…(except Jesus)
 
Did you read the document offered by Holly? It even mentions the Enneagram.

Some priests are responsible for heretical ideas. Just read Church history.
 
Edward_H said:
Holly, wow. Just when I thought I didn’t have anything substantial to read this weekend, this!

This is solid stuff, a real intellectual treatment. It will take a while to get through.

Thanks.
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Any time Edward! But don’t give me the thanks, give God the glory for helping me to find it! 👍
 
There are no orthrodox Catholic Priests who are in Spiritual Warfare that would endorse this Ennegram method of praying. Yes, when the Vatican extends a warning then listen.

Thanks Holy and You Go Girl,
BluesPicker
 
tskrobacz said:
Wow such harsh criticism. You do realize he is a Catholic priest in good standing? I’m grateful for all priests, Saints and Mystics that expand our minds to fully appreciate the almighty God of the universe. I have no need to agree with 100% of anything from any individual…(except Jesus)
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Nice try, but I am afraid you misunderstood my point. I wasn’t evaluating Farther Rohr at all; I was responding to your own dismissive points above in your original posting, and was rejecting the way you tried to stake out high ground; “If you are interested in mature spirituality…If you are only interested in religion and the tenants of the faith…it takes a mature level of seeing to understand…”

Peace.
 
Praise God, Holly found this document for all "Jesus Christ Bearer of the Water of Life, a Christian reflection on the “New Age”. One of the phenomena in discussed is this Enneagram system which defines nine personality archetypes that all people are said to belong to. For the people who don’t have time to read the Vatican document I will relate what it says about sin. Hopefully my summary will perk the readers attention to read what the Vatican has to say about Enneagram and other New Age topics.

The enneagram method defines sin in terms of limitations Dependant on what personality archetype one belongs to. Since everyone has these inherent limitations then sin is viewed as inevitable and beyond our personal responsibility.

The solution to sin proposed by the Enneagram method is to compensate by growing the opposing or opposite personality. That is the purpose of that strange diagram. Here the Redemption through Jesus Christ that from the time of that the Church Jesus Christ founded in Jerusalem is forgotten.
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I really believe we as Catholics ought to read what the  Holy See, the Chair of Truth for the Light of the World has to say on this New Age phenomena.  The author of the  New Age has been around for a long, long time even way before the first humans.
BluesPicker
 
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