Fr. Richard Rhor

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Did you read the document offered by Holly? It even mentions the Enneagram.

Some priests are responsible for heretical ideas. Just read Church history.
Could it be that some (or dare I say ALL) priests say or do some things that are not 100% in line with the teachings bound in doctrine and dogma? The Enneagram is a way of looking at people and being more empathetic to them based on their personality type. It has roots in ancient peoples and has proven valuable in psychology. While I understand it, I personally don’t personally use it at all.

If you choose to call a Catholic Priest a heretic and therefor dismiss entirely his teachings then be prepared for that same level of judgement yourself. No priest is perfect and neither are we. I choose to look to the wisdom teachings of Fr. Rohr which are rooted in Doctor’s of the Church (St. John of the Cross, Theresa of Avila, Thomas Merton, Etc) and have found great truth and great love in his work.
 
I read through the Vatican document but I found the summary of the Vatican document, Jesus Christ the Bearer of the Water of Life, on a Spanish website. The translation is good enough to get an idea of what is being said. This website really peels back the cloud that shrouds this Enneagram method. This summary of what the Enneagram is based on the Vatican web page that Holly found for us, Praise God!
This is really a good very informative read despite the imperfections in translation.

This is how I did it:
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   I use  the Google online web page translator, choose Spanish to English  and  place this website URL inside the box and hit enter:
corazones.org/apologetica/a_apologetica.htm
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    Here is the  URL  translated by Google translator:
translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corazones.org%2Fapologetica%2Fa_apologetica.htm
 
Here is part of a paper by the late Malachi Martin who wrote “Hostage to the Devil.”
As a matter of fact google " Enneagram Heresy" and a lot of papers come up.

This is on the net in full at:

members.toast.net/rjspina/The%20Enneagram.htm

The Enneagram Is Nitroglycern to the Soul

The Enneagram Is Nitroglycern to the Soul Two characteristics of the Enneagram Method comprise moral teachings that are irreconcilable with the basic moral teachings of Catholics in particular and Christians in general. The basic presumption presented to the mind by the Enneagram Method is that each individual is self-perfectible, morally speaking, within that individual’s personality type. This presumption is in reality a late revival of an ancient heresy known as Pelagianism. It is at odds with the basic Christian teaching that we absolutely depend on the action of divine grace for all moral perfection.

Of ourselves, we are helpless. Not only are we not infinitely self-perfectible; we will never of ourselves even escape the grip of our sinful nature. Only supernatural grace enables us to do that. And that grace is simply gratuitous on God’s part. The teaching of the Enneagram Method cuts both God and his grace out of the loop. In fact, there is no longer any loop at all. The individual is cut off from effective knowledge of his or her dependence on God and his supernatural grace for ultimate perfection. He or she is confined to an inalterable personality type, which has been laid out by Enneagram Masters.

The second faulty moral characteristic of the Enneagram Method completes the damage caused by the first. Having fatalistically accepted one’s own category, the participant is dependent for perfection on the Enneagramatic exercises suitable for one’s personality type. In other words, the soul of the Enneagram disciple is opened out and made docile, with the goal of receiving the promised self-knowledge congruent with his or her type. The soul becomes an apt and classic receptor-an aspiring vacuum-ready for the approach of an intending Possessor. In such a setting, the intending Possessor may come as what St. Paul described with dramatic precision as an Angel of Light. But the danger is all the more insidious than that. For in such a situation, the condition commonly called “perfect Possession” may be the result. As the term implies, a victim of perfect Possession is absolutely controlled by evil and gives no outward indication, no hint whatsoever of the demonic residing within. He or she will not cringe, as others who are Possessed will, at the sight of such religious symbols as a crucifix or a Rosary. The perfectly Possessed will not bridle at the touch of Holy Water, nor hesitate to discuss religious topics with equanimity. If convicted of crimes against the law, such a victim will frequently acknowledge “guilt,” and even the moral “badness” of the acts committed. More often than not, such a person will petition that his physical life be forfeited; that he be executed for his crimes. Thus, in his own way, he voices the insistent Satanist preference for death over life, and the fixated desire to join the Prince in his dark kingdom.

Because there is no will left to call the victim’s own-and because some part of the victim’s will is necessary for any hope of successful Exorcism-remedy is unlikely to succeed even in the event the Possession should somehow be uncovered and verified as the problem. In a very real sense, all of us, the Possessed, the professionals who must so frequently deal with them; the parents who fear for their children; everyone who lives in a society degraded by happenings that were only recently unimaginable to us-all are in the same boat. Even such a sober-sided and rationally minded publication as “The New York Times” sees fit from time to time to print the most somber laments and predictions. Take, for example, the March 15, 1992 article by Robert Stone in which he says flatly that “our nation signifies the virtual apotheosis of the interested self.” And in which he goes on to point out that “human nature rejects [self-interest] as an end, requiring something higher and finer.” Then, speaking pointedly of the younger generation among us, Stone raises a bleak warning: 'If we cannot furnish them with a cause beyond the realization of their individual desires, all [of America’s] past successes may be rendered meaningless." That is but one warning parents all across this land might well see fit to tack on the door of every recalcitrant bishop, every unbelieving churchman.

They might justifiably tack on those doors as well a reminder of St. Paul’s admonition to the sorcerer Elymas. On the pretext of instructing Sergius Paulus, “a prudent man,” Elymas attempted instead to corrupt him. Never one to suffer such duplicity or to mince words, always prepared to bare his own soul, Paul, we are told “filled with the Holy Ghost,” rounded against the pretender. “Oh full of all guile and of all deceit”-Paul said that day-“son of the devil, enemy of all justice, you do not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord.” Yet surely the most important reminder to our churchmen is also the simplest and the most direct. A reminder of the admonition of Christ Himself to His Apostles as they were beset in their little boat by the fury of a storm on Lake Gennesaret: “How is it that you have no faith?”

By *Malachi Martin
 
Nice try, but I am afraid you misunderstood my point. I wasn’t evaluating Farther Rohr at all; I was responding to your own dismissive points above in your original posting, and was rejecting the way you tried to stake out high ground; “If you are interested in mature spirituality…If you are only interested in religion and the tenants of the faith…it takes a mature level of seeing to understand…”

Peace.
Sorry, I don’t understand your point. Even Jesus increased in knowledge according to the Gospels. And we are to follow him.
 
I am wary of Fr. Rohr’s teachings because I believe he draws on non-Christian sources in an inappropriate way. Not only that, he also rejects the truth about homosexuality and teaches that the homosexual lifestyle is legitimate. I don’t open my soul to any Catholic writer who is not completely faithful to the Church. Steer clear of this priest!
 
I am wary of Fr. Rohr’s teachings because I believe he draws on non-Christian sources in an inappropriate way. Not only that, he also rejects the truth about homosexuality and teaches that the homosexual lifestyle is legitimate. I don’t open my soul to any Catholic writer who is not completely faithful to the Church. Steer clear of this priest!
When you know…you will know. Blessed are the Poor in Spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
 
If you wish to support something that is not in line with Catholic teaching, that’s up to you. But stop talking as though that makes you superior to those of us who do support the Church. BTW, St. Teresa of Avila & St. John of the Cross always obeyed, even when they disagreed. You might want to read them more closely.
Could it be that some (or dare I say ALL) priests say or do some things that are not 100% in line with the teachings bound in doctrine and dogma? The Enneagram is a way of looking at people and being more empathetic to them based on their personality type. It has roots in ancient peoples and has proven valuable in psychology. While I understand it, I personally don’t personally use it at all.

If you choose to call a Catholic Priest a heretic and therefor dismiss entirely his teachings then be prepared for that same level of judgement yourself. No priest is perfect and neither are we. I choose to look to the wisdom teachings of Fr. Rohr which are rooted in Doctor’s of the Church (St. John of the Cross, Theresa of Avila, Thomas Merton, Etc) and have found great truth and great love in his work.
 
If you wish to support something that is not in line with Catholic teaching, that’s up to you. But stop talking as though that makes you superior to those of us who do support the Church. BTW, St. Teresa of Avila & St. John of the Cross always obeyed, even when they disagreed. You might want to read them more closely.
I also support the Church but do so without having to step into all or nothing, black/white type thinking. Fr. Rohr is a well educated Catholic Priest who challenges us to see beyond dualistic thinking to include ALL peoples in the “Church” - this, for me, is the truly Catholic viewpoint. I have read St Teresa and St John and Fr. Rohr…they are all in agreement and are saying the same thing…
 
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