Fr. Z: Can a trans-man be ordained?

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Simple blood test takes care of any attempts at subterfuge…
 
Too bad he didn’t address the issue of the other way around (trans woman??), even though it is a an explanation of redundent explanation for the redundant staff of redundancy working in the department of redundancy department.
 
Jestersage said:
Too bad he didn’t address the issue of the other way around (trans woman??), even though it is a an explanation of redundent explanation for the redundant staff of redundancy working in the department of redundancy department.
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I’m sorry, could you repeat that over again? 😃
 
I guess that old saying was incorrect all along. There IS such a thing as a stupid question.
 
St. Anthony must have seen the 21st century.

“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.’”
 
Nelka said:
St. Anthony must have seen the 21st century.

“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.’”
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Ooooh I like that. What writing is that from?
 
Jestersage said:
Too bad he didn’t address the issue of the other way around (trans woman??), even though it is a an explanation of redundent explanation for the redundant staff of redundancy working in the department of redundancy department.
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You had the same thought I did. What is the answer the other way around. Can a Trans-Woman be ordained?
 
Padres1969 said:
You had the same thought I did. What is the answer the other way around. Can a Trans-Woman be ordained?
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Either can be (and are) ordained in The Episcopal Church.

I have heard that there are ordained RC priests who are no longer practicing but have not been laicized who are transitioning. I don’t know anyone personally, but rather friends of friends do. It will be interesting when the transition happens to hear what the powers that be say about it.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
…I have heard that there are ordained RC priests who are no longer practicing but have not been laicized who are transitioning. I don’t know anyone personally, but rather friends of friends do. It will be interesting when the transition happens to hear what the powers that be say about it.
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If true, I’m fairly certain they will be laicized immediately.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Either can be (and are) ordained in The Episcopal Church.

I have heard that there are ordained RC priests who are no longer practicing but have not been laicized who are transitioning. I don’t know anyone personally, but rather friends of friends do. It will be interesting when the transition happens to hear what the powers that be say about it.
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Interesting, so even though they’re genetically male, the RCC doesn’t allow them to continue being priests? On what basis are they laicized specifically I wonder?

And presumably even if they were laicized they’d still be able to confect valid Eucharist and the like even if done so illicitly no? Since their holy orders would not be nullified even by laicization.
 
The Church does not consider “transitioning” to be any more a real medical solution to the mental health condition than abortion is to pregnancy; or regular use of the death penalty as the only solution to crime.

An example of medically forced "trans"ing gone wrong:
articles.latimes.com/2004/may/13/local/me-reimer13
 
Padres1969 said:
Interesting, so even though they’re genetically male, the RCC doesn’t allow them to continue being priests? On what basis are they laicized specifically I wonder?

And presumably even if they were laicized they’d still be able to confect valid Eucharist and the like even if done so illicitly no? Since their holy orders would not be nullified even by laicization.
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Once a man is a priest, he is always a priest. The mark on his soul cannot be erased anymore than the mark of Baptism on our soul can be undone.

This, of course, doesn’t mean he cannot do gravely wrong things simply because he was ordained anymore than it means people who are baptized cannot commit grave sins after they are baptized.

I’d be hesitant to put too much stock into hearsay about friends of friends who know a guy who used to be a priest. But even if the stories are accurate, it’s not as if such a thing is impossible. Guys leave the priesthood to get married, too. 🤷

As to laicization, that would fall under the purview of Canon Law. I’m no canon lawyer, so I couldn’t tell you which canons would be used in such a case. I can’t see that laicization would be necessary, but I could be wrong. These priests are already not functioning as priests.
 
Father Z’s response:
This sex-change, trans thing is intrinsically evil.
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Talk about your self-absorbed Promethean Neopelagians!
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A woman who undergoes this ghoulish process is, at the end, not a man. She is still a woman, a seriously mutilated woman. She can dress like a man, try to act like a man, fool some people (not as many as she thinks) that she is a man. She cannot ever be a man.
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They are to be shown great compassion, because they are deeply confused and no doubt in a lot of pain. But their confusion and pain doesn’t alter reality.
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Women cannot be validly ordained to holy orders. An attempt to ordain any woman, including mutilated women, would be, without question, invalid.
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Women cannot be ordained.
She is a woman.
She cannot be ordained.
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Joe_5859 said:
Once a man is a priest, he is always a priest. The mark on his soul cannot be erased anymore than the mark of Baptism on our soul can be undone.

This, of course, doesn’t mean he cannot do gravely wrong things simply because he was ordained anymore than it means people who are baptized cannot commit grave sins after they are baptized.
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I’d be hesitant to put too much stock into hearsay about friends of friends who know a guy who used to be a priest. **But even if the stories are accurate, it’s not as if such a thing is impossible. Guys leave the priesthood to get married, too. 🤷

As to laicization, that would fall under the purview of Canon Law. I’m no canon lawyer, so I couldn’t tell you which canons would be used in such a case. I can’t see that laicization would be necessary, but I could be wrong. These priests are already not functioning as priests.
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Well it’s not like it hasn’t happened.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4725466/America-s-female-priest-dies-84.html
 
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