Fr. Z's rants

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There is no perfect translation. In my opinion adults can and should interpret benevolently instead of ranting, how can one misinterpret the translation.

Deus, a quo bona cuncta procedunt, largire supplicibus tuis:
ut cogitemus, te inspirante, quae recta sunt;
et, te gubernante, eadem faciamus.

We should think what is good, and do it; not to chew on what is bad.

O God, from whom all good things come,
grant that we, who call on you in our need,
may at your prompting discern what is right,
and by your guidance do it.

May not be perfect, but the authority and behind that our Lord the head of the Church stands for it.
 
There are however bad translations that obscure important meanings in the text.

God of wisdom and love,
source of all good,
send your Spirit to teach us your truth
and guide our actions
in your way of peace.

Is not a good translation of the Latin, which is why it is been corrected.
 
Somewhat surprisingly, Father Z’s “slavishly literal” translation completely bungles the ablative absolute. For “ut cogitemus, te inspirante, quae recta sunt” he has, “that, as You are inspiring, we may think things which are right.” “As You are inspiring”? How hamhanded to translate this as though God’s inspiration (of what?) is just something that happens by mere coincidence to be taking place at the same time as our thinking on things which are right. It’s like saying, “at the beginning of time, while You were creating, the world came into being.” Gee, you don’t say.
 
MarkThompson said:
Somewhat surprisingly, Father Z’s “slavishly literal” translation completely bungles the ablative absolute. For “ut cogitemus, te inspirante, quae recta sunt” he has, “that, as You are inspiring, we may think things which are right.” “As You are inspiring”? How hamhanded to translate this as though God’s inspiration (of what?) is just something that happens by mere coincidence to be taking place at the same time as our thinking on things which are right. It’s like saying, “at the beginning of time, while You were creating, the world came into being.” Gee, you don’t say.
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And so you rant yourself about someone else’s rantings?
Might I suggest that you pay a visit to WDTPRS.com (I think) and contact Fr Z? He might be quite willing to discuss the matter you.
 
The change will be a battlefield. Mostly the Order of Mass, because that is what influences the people. There are many people who want to keep the bias toward the universalism (for all) and toward the equality of the priest with the folks (And also with you). They certainly would want to delay the introduction of the revised translation.

The collects have little effect of the people. If there is a war, and it will be a war, we should concentrate on the important things, which have deep effect.

After the change was made successfully, priest can start focusing of the collects (some of them are good) let bring their message into the homilies, let people pay attention to them and then there will be time to rant about their translation.

At this moment such rant serves no reason only help those who want to delay the introduction of the new translation.

As for contacting directly Fr Z, there is a dialect there is always a problem that prominent people influence me, and there is no assurance that into the right direction. Christ stands with the Church, with the Magisterium, and Fr Z regardless his fame is not part of the Magisterium. He criticized the Magisterium in his rant. Better to keep the truth of my young and fresh years: We should look for the right things (recta) and expect our guidance from God who talks through the Magisterium.
 
The collects have little effect of the people. If there is a war, and it will be a war, we should concentrate on the important things, which have deep effect.
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Then why does the Church have them in both the OF and EF?

IMO, the great thing about the Latin collects is that you don’t need to translate them. They belong to the Church. You know that they are a prayer, you know that they are good, they are short, and they set the proper tone before the scriptural readings. If there is going to be a war as to the interpretation, then the collect defeats its purpose and probably should not be used at all. The Mass shouldn’t be a war and it shouldn’t be a translating business.
 
ProVobis said:
Then why does the Church have them in both the OF and EF?

IMO, the great thing about the Latin collects is that you don’t need to translate them. They belong to the Church. You know that they are a prayer, you know that they are good, they are short, and they set the proper tone before the scriptural readings. If there is going to be a war as to the interpretation, then the collect defeats its purpose and probably should not be used at all. The Mass shouldn’t be a war and it shouldn’t be a translating business.
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Try to understand. They are beautiful, and almost certainly, they moved the people until they understood them. Suddenly because it was in Latin it became meaningless. Now priest should first make it meaningful, it could be as good topic of the homily as an otherwise unfamiliar scriptural passage.

Now ranting about the translation does not worth to risk the delay of the new translation. It is ironic, that the quoted collect (look for the right things) contradicts the ranting: looking for the trash. This may make one popular, but looking for trash wrong.
 
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Here is one of Fr. Z’s latest rants.

wdtprs.com/blog/2011/05/fr-z-rants-for-liturgical-meat-not-goop-wdtprs-5th-sunday-after-easter-1962mr/

This is from a Pewsitter.com linkage.

Your thoughts?
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We may start seen some reverence eventually. I am also tired of poor and disconnected prayers at Mass. now and days priests just create things as they go. the priest in my parish now, at the end of Mass, he likes to thank the people for coming. this is so weird. it makes me feel as if i am just a visitor and dont belong in the Church. plus all the birthday songs and claps and very bad music.
 
As far as I’ve ever noticed Fr. Z always marks his “rants” as such,so at least you know the spirit in which you should read the article.
 
Here is the ‘ranted’ prayer. This is the official for tomorrow: (translation from Bute 1908)

O God, from Whom all good things do come, grant to us thy
humble servants that by thy holy inspiration we may think those
things that be good, and by thy merciful guiding may perform
the same.

Listen to the meaning: think those things that be good
 
laszlo said:
As for contacting directly Fr Z, there is a dialect there is always a problem that prominent people influence me, and there is no assurance that into the right direction. Christ stands with the Church, with the Magisterium, and Fr Z regardless his fame is not part of the Magisterium. He criticized the Magisterium in his rant. Better to keep the truth of my young and fresh years: We should look for the right things (recta) and expect our guidance from God who talks through the Magisterium.
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Well, Fr. Z is on the record liking the new translation very much and his slavishly literal translation and the new ICEL version are very similar. that’s his point, comparing it to the weak “lame duck” version. And I did not see where he criticized the Magisterium. Bureaucrats, perhaps, but not the Magisterium.
 
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