France is no longer Catholic, survey shows

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France is no longer Catholic, survey shows

Paris, Jan. 10, 2007 (CWNews.com) - France should no longer be considered a Catholic country, according to a survey published by Le Monde des Religions.
The survey showed a steep decline in the number of French people identifying themselves as Catholics: from 80% just 15 years ago to just over one-half-- 51%-- today. Over the same period the number of professed atheists rose from 23 to 31%.

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I think this goes even deeper to the fact that the demographics of France has changed so radically and rapidly in the past twenty years that France does not know how to lift itself from this downward spiral. But there is hope…if the French are willing to look inward to their Catholic roots, in my opinion. Stop aborting babies and get back to turning to God for help. And it all begins with a single prayer multiplied over and over.

According to one researcher at the Population Research Institute

*According to the United Nations Population Division (UNDP), the proportion of Frenchmen over 60 (retirement age) will go from 21% today to 33% in 2050. That means more than a 50% jump in the already enormous and deficit-provoking cost of taking care of French retirees. At the same time, those just entering or about to enter the workforce (those aged 15-24) will decline from 12.7% of the population to 11% – even with all the Muslim immigrants. France’s birthrate is about 1.8 children per woman, below the replacement rate of 2.1. Subtracting the fecundity of immigrants, France’s birthrate would be only around 1.2, the same as in Italy and Spain.

Of course, much could be done to improve the stability of the French social system. The retirement age could be raised to 70. Welfare for the able-bodied could be cut. Health care could be privatized while maintaining universal coverage through government subsidies. Vacation time could be reduced. And more taxpayers could be created by decreasing the 25% youth unemployment rate, thus lessening the French debt load now so that more money can be borrowed later when it’s really needed.

But far from preparing for the coming crunch, the French government can’t even loosen up the labor market just a little. Even American federal bureaucrats don’t get tenure until three years into the job. And public debt in France has been on the steady increase for years, rather than decreasing during these relatively fat years in anticipation of lean ones (sound familiar?). The New York Times reported March 28, “‘It is a collective failure of the French system,’ said Louis Chauvel, a sociologist who studies generational change. ‘You earn more doing nothing in retirement at the age of 60 to 65 than working full-time at the age of 35. And we have organized society so there is no room for new entrants.’”

France will need lots of new entrants soon. Immigrants aren’t working out. Instead, they proclaim their hatred for their adoptive country.

There is another solution: The French could start having lots of children, who would then enter the workforce in 20 years or so – about when the big crunch will come.

It’s that, or the end of the French’s beloved social model. You can’t live on borrowed time forever. It’s not sustainable*.

Mr. D’Agostino, former associate editor of HUMAN EVENTS, is vice president for Communications at the Population Research Institute
 
I am suspicious of these polls and studies. Many publications have shown the Church has problems in Europe; Mass attendance is low. I don’t know that means a change of religion; maybe just a weakening of attendance. As far as Catholic social teaching is concerned, it looks to me like France is doing pretty well. They guarantee employment and fund huge social programs. Efforts last year to allow employers to fire unproductive workers for the first year or so of their employment resulted in rioting and car burning. I think you could live a pretty good life in France and never do a lick of work. This kind of thing is what advocates in Catholic publications urge all the time. So from an economic and governmental point of view, France looks Catholic to me.

The demographics involving aging populations is tangible and it is problem for the US as well. Look around and you will see retired people in their sixties and seventies taking care of parents in their eighties and nineties. This is something we all have to face in developed countries.
 
IThis kind of thing is what advocates in Catholic publications urge all the time. So from an economic and governmental point of view, France looks Catholic to me.
Publications with the work catholic in the masthead does not mean it is an official publication of the Catholic Church or that it follow Catholic Church teaching.
 
The difference is in the US despite abortion, delaying having children, even birth control, our birth rate is still replacing itself and then some.
 
The difference is in the US despite abortion, delaying having children, even birth control, our birth rate is still replacing itsel and then some.
Do you have a reference for ou statistics? What I’ve read said that the US and Catholics in the US are not at a replacement level with out immigration.
 
Many publications have shown the Church has problems in Europe; Mass attendance is low. I don’t know that means a change of religion; maybe just a weakening of attendance.
There was a recent survey done in the US that showed that the people who attended church on a regular basis were more in line with catholic church teaching. There was another article about 5 years back that showed that even within the catholic church there was approximately 40 percent who disagreed with the Church on infallible teachings.

France became more of a protestant nation during the French Revolution. It was the liberals who collapsed the catholic monarchy and killed the priests and nuns.The French revolution was bad for France but everyone gets taught protestant history when it comes to the France and Europe.

There were great French catholic leaders such as Charlemagne and King Louis IX, friend of St. Thomas Aquinas.
Many of the catholic saints come from the European monarchs such as St. Bridget of Sweden.

Here is one forum thread on Evangelicals. But there are many catholic studies showing that those who attend church are more in line with church teachings.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=86028&highlight=survey+christians
 
Pax vobiscum!

This is very sad from a country that was once called the eldest daughter of the Church.

In Christ,
Rand
 
From the story:
Among the respondents who did identify themselves as Catholics, only 10% attend church services regularly, the poll showed. More remarkable, only half of the self-identified Catholics say that they believe in God. Some respondents indicated that for them, Catholicism involves a social or cultural identity rather than a religious commitment.
I see social/cultural catholics as a huge portion of the American Catholic population. I would say the United States is on a path par with France.

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My experience with the French (and other Western Europeans) is that, the ones who are Catholic are very serious about it, and very devout. And the people who aren’t, don’t pretend they are. There seem to be fewer of the middle-of-the-road, wishy-washy types, who call themselves Catholic but whose lives say otherwise.
 
My experience with the French (and other Western Europeans) is that, the ones who are Catholic are very serious about it, and very devout. And the people who aren’t, don’t pretend they are. There seem to be fewer of the middle-of-the-road, wishy-washy types, who call themselves Catholic but whose lives say otherwise.
Funny you should say this:

I live in a very diverse neighborhood with many Europeans. Durning one discussion about the RCC I stated “In America, the Church pretends to lead and the people pretend to follow”. A German fellow replied by saying “In Europe, the Church pretends to lead and the people don’t even pretend to follow”.

Neither of us were entirely genuine in our position, but the premise was consistant with your observations.

Nohome
 
Efforts last year to allow employers to fire unproductive workers for the first year or so of their employment resulted in rioting and car burning. I think you could live a pretty good life in France and never do a lick of work. This kind of thing is what advocates in Catholic publications urge all the time. So from an economic and governmental point of view, France looks Catholic to me.
Without seeing the articles you are speaking of, I would guess these publications are advocating social justice.

The Church knows that social injustice feeds the riots, etc. you speak of.

This kind of behavior would probably be sinful for one to participate in.
 
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