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dmar198
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“Have we not all one father? Has not one God created us? Why then are we faithless to one another, profaning the covenant of our fathers?” Malachi 2:10
Francis says Muslims, Hindus, Catholics, Copts, are Children of the same God as Christians
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Church_Militant
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You don’t appear to have actually read what you are criticizing. Here is a direct quote for context. Let’s see what it says.
Pope Francis did not mention the Jews, but would they not also fall into his groupings? Certainly they were created by Him.
Now, are all of these groups on the same page in their understandings of God? Not at all…But does their flawed understandings and professions invalidate the fact that God created all of us? No? Then in this context, the context in which His Holiness was obviously speaking, are they not His children?
Unlike you, Jesus always sought some common context in speaking to whoever was in front of them (Example: the Samaritan woman at the well) and here we see Pope Francis doing that same thing in appealing to all of mankind to stop killing each other and seek God first, which, we know from the Word of God is what God desires and that He will reward it with the help of the Holy Spirit who draws all men to Himself.
This is as Biblical as it gets.
God bless you and Pope Francis and may all mankind desire God with all their hearts and so ultimately find peace in Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ.
Here are some links to specific answers to your problem.
Is there more than one God? No? Okay then, all people were indeed created by the same God, and in that context are indeed His children. Unless you disagree that there are other gods creating humans?
Pope Francis did not mention the Jews, but would they not also fall into his groupings? Certainly they were created by Him.
Now, are all of these groups on the same page in their understandings of God? Not at all…But does their flawed understandings and professions invalidate the fact that God created all of us? No? Then in this context, the context in which His Holiness was obviously speaking, are they not His children?
Unlike you, Jesus always sought some common context in speaking to whoever was in front of them (Example: the Samaritan woman at the well) and here we see Pope Francis doing that same thing in appealing to all of mankind to stop killing each other and seek God first, which, we know from the Word of God is what God desires and that He will reward it with the help of the Holy Spirit who draws all men to Himself.
This is as Biblical as it gets.
God bless you and Pope Francis and may all mankind desire God with all their hearts and so ultimately find peace in Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ.
Here are some links to specific answers to your problem.
- What do I say to people who say we worship the same God as Muslims?
- How can you say that Catholics and Muslims worship the same God?
- If Allah is a name for God, what’s wrong with Catholics praying to him?
- Must I believe that Muslims worship my God?
- Muslims worship the same God as Christians?
- Is Allah the same God as the God of Christians & Jews?
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Cory
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When in doubt defer to the Pope please. Our Lord established the teaching hierarchy for a reason. While I see a great intelligence inside you, don’t fall in to the Protestant heresy of thinking you know more than the Pope.
We are all Children of God because there is only One God and he is God of all Creation, including Muslim Jews, Protestants, etc.
We are all Children of God because there is only One God and he is God of all Creation, including Muslim Jews, Protestants, etc.
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Tablefor9
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If not God’s children, then whose are they?
From Psalm 139:
13For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place,
when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
16Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.
We are not all faithful children, some of us are prodigals and black sheep. But we are, indeed, all children of God.
From Psalm 139:
13For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place,
when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
16Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.
We are not all faithful children, some of us are prodigals and black sheep. But we are, indeed, all children of God.
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rose_kelly
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Couldn’t have said it better.
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Wesrock
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There is so much that could be said about your post, including what it means to refer to the same God, but the part I quoted is, strictly speaking, false. Muslims acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah who will come again. Some go so far as to Arian beliefs, that the Logos who became flesh was God’s first created and most perfect creature, though not God himself. Certainly that is a heresy, but it also certainly makes your statement a false accusation.
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Neofight
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That’s dreadful theology.
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user1234
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What he’s saying is God created them all. Atheists are still children of God even if they don’t believe it, because God created them.
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slMike
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It s true that we are all children of God in that he is our Creator but Jesus demands another more deeper fraternal relationship brought about through baptism which I’m sure the Holy Father knows. But a distinction should be made for clarity or else the “one religion is as good as the other” meme will gain more momentum:
1267 Baptism makes us members of the Body of Christ: “Therefore . . . we are members one of another.” Baptism incorporates us into the Church. From the baptismal fonts is born the one People of God of the New Covenant, which transcends all the natural or human limits of nations, cultures, races, and sexes: “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.”
1270 “Reborn as sons of God, [the baptized] must profess before men the faith they have received from God through the Church” and participate in the apostolic and missionary activity of the People of God. CCC
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Our ***Divine Sonship ***brought about through baptism is thus above the mere natural plane.
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Bookcat
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Children of God in one sense (ie that God is the creator and Father of all persons…even those who think God does not exist) but not yet Children of God in another sense (ie born again in Faith and Baptism…).
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slMike
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On the natural level it isn’t exclusive on the supernatural it is:
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Or else where is the motivation to evangelize?
It isn’t. This is the Catholic teaching of baptismal regeneration and divine adoption.
Yes, we can accommodate the word “children” when talking about God as Creator, but really, that makes us merely his creatures. We are incapable of being God’s children without the grace of adoption, and this is sanctifying grace, which only comes through baptism.
Recognizing this should help us realize how great God’s love is, that he would transform mere creatures into his children.
This theology is all over the New Testament, but especially in St. Paul’s writings. We receive adoption as God’s children only through the Holy Spirit, not by our natural existence.
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Neofight
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It is indeed dreadful, if by it, there is the implication that only the baptized receive salvation. It has been made clear by the Pope that by following the teachings of Christ, whether they realize it or not, people who are Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Shintos, and every other faiths may gain salvation…all this without baptism…even baptism by desire or blood.
PEACE AND ALL GOOD!
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SJacob7
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Using the OT defending the children of God is a great source. That is if you are Jewish. I find it very surprising that Mr Akin tried to defend what Jesus clearly states in the NT by using the OT.
Here’s the problem with using the OT. The Messiah HAS come. Our Savior came and established a new covenant. A covenant in His blood. Those of the Jewish faith don’t except this. But we, as Christians know He came and died for our sins. Again, we are under a new covenant written in His blood. Let’s go back to read what our Messiah said on the subject. He was very clear, just read the OP. There are many verses in the NT establishing who the children of God are. Can anyone point out, under the new covenant, that we are all children of God without faith in Jesus? It’s not there. Please don’t try to put the 2 covenants together!
Blessed are those who haven’t seen yet believe.
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Genesis315
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In one sense, we become adopted children of God by our baptism (since we are incorporated into Christ, the Son of God). In another sense, all human beings are the offspring of God, as St. Paul said to the pagans in Athens (see Acts 17:22-29). God can be viewed as a common Father in this sense and sometimes this general term offspring is rendered as children, which I assume is the context in this case.
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PRmerger
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Yes.
And it is this type of thinking that brings someone a step closer to the inability to recognize an entire ethnic group or religious group as having inherent dignity. That is, it makes seeing them as less worthy much easier.
NB: I am NOT making any statement about the OP’s views about people of other races and religions (although it is clear that he/she does not view them as children of God).
This is merely a statement about generalities. Not specifics.
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Casilda
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