Franciscan Ordination and Other Questions

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There aren’t any Franciscan monasteries in the local area, as far as I know, so I have a few questions about becoming ordained a Franciscan friar:
  1. Who has to ordain a person a Franciscan friar? (I.E. Does the priest have to be a Franciscan, a priestmonk, or does it have to be someone higher than a priest?)
  2. If there are no monasteries available, how would I fulfill my time for the probationary period?
  3. If I wanted to form a monastery after a period of time, who would I have to get permission from?
  4. If I decided to take up the life of Christ and St. Francis and just wander with no set home, would this be permissible? I.E. Would I remain a Franciscan, even though I didn’t belong to a monastery?
 
Hey Erich,

What a great bunch of questions!
  1. If you want to be a friar like St. Francis, then you have no need of ordination, you simply take vows. Normally vows are taken to a religious superior, in this case the superior of the Franciscan community that you want to join.
  2. There are plenty of monasteries to join, though you may not have one in your area… In this case you may find yourself traveling away from home, something which it sounds like you would enjoy.
  3. If you belonged already to a community, then it would be your superior who could ask you to start a new house.
  4. If you decided to wander with no set home, something which at least one community I know actually does, then you could still follow Christ and St. Francis even if initially you would not be considered a “Franciscan” because you had not taken vows to a superior nor had you been recognized by the local authorities except perhaps as a consecrated virgin.
I hope that answers your marvelous questions. I highly recommend looking for someone in your area who can help guide you on this great journey into the depths of God. May our heavenly Father rain down many blessings upon you!
 
Franciscans do not have monasteries. Mendicants do not live in monasteries.

I believe Franciscans call where they live priories, like we Carmelites do.

Everything else that Br Scott said is right on.
 
  1. Who has to ordain a person a Franciscan friar? (I.E. Does the priest have to be a Franciscan, a priestmonk, or does it have to be someone higher than a priest?)
Are you talking about ordination or profession of vows?

A Franciscan takes vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience. He would profess the vows to a superior. (I don’t know specifically about Franciscans. Benedictines profess vows to their abbot; Jesuits profess vows to their Provincial.)

If you are talking about a friar who is ordained as a priest, ordinations are always done by bishops.
  1. If there are no monasteries available, how would I fulfill my time for the probationary period?
Franciscans are friars rather than monks so they live in a friary rather than a monastery. If there is not a friary where you live then you would go someplace else to live in one. There you would learn what it means to live as a Franciscan and further discern your vocation.
  1. If I wanted to form a monastery after a period of time, who would I have to get permission from?
Your superior. And possibly his superior and on up the line. I imagine that they would want to know why you want to form a new foundation rather than working in their existing places of ministry.
  1. If I decided to take up the life of Christ and St. Francis and just wander with no set home, would this be permissible? I.E. Would I remain a Franciscan, even though I didn’t belong to a monastery?
If you simply want to follow St. Francis while doing your own thing, there’d be no need to take vows. If you do take vows as a Franciscan, then you would be obliged to give obedience to your superior and to follow the Rule of St. Francis.
 
If you are talking about a friar who is ordained as a priest, ordinations are always done by bishops.
Yes, if a religious is to be ordained to Holy Orders he is ordained by a bishop but it is the religious superior who calls the man forward for ordination. The community calls though the superior, in some religious orders the local house gets a say in the calling in others they do not or they advise the superior.

The superior then lines up a bishop to do the actual ordination but the bishop really has no say in the process, he just celebrates the Sacrament on behalf of the Order and the Church.
 
Thanks for all of your replies!

I suppose I meant “tonsured” in place of “ordination.” Whoops!

So I guess that leaves one question un-answered: Would I want to be tonsured?

But thanks a lot!
 
So I guess that leaves one question un-answered: Would I want to be tonsured?
The best question is not “Would I want?” but “Am I called?”
 
:confused: 🙂 I certainly hope things work out for you. I am considering becoming a Franciscan Nun or Sister. Im a bit confused about somethings and I posted a question very similar to yours.
So- through your question and answers I found some interesting information on Franciscan Holy Orders. Thank you!
 
Franciscans are first and foremost brothers. We do not mean brothers because we belong to the same family. We mean brothers as in consecrated religious brothers. You enter the Franciscan family because you want to be a religious brother, to follow the Gospel in the manner of St. Francis.

You enter into a covenant with Christ to live the Gospel, as proclaimed by the Church, supported by the graces of the sacraments and by your religious brothers, always walking in the footsteps of St. Francis. To a Franciscan there is no greater teacher of the Gospel as St. Francis. We have a very deep devotion to our spiritual Father and a deep obedience to him. His greatest concern was his brotherhood. Therefore, our greatest concern is our brotherhood. We spend as much time as possible with each other in prayer, recreation, work, silence and service to each other.

Our mission and work in the Church is predicated on our fraternal life. Nothing happens outside of the community without the express consent of the other brothers. We go where the brothers send us. We minister in whatever way the brothers want us to minister. Some of us minister outside of the community and many of us minister only inside the community.

We do not live in monasteries or priories. We live in friaries or community houses. The difference between a priory and a friary is that a priory is governed by a superior called the Prior. To the Franciscans this title was unacceptable, because it implies that he is the first. For us the first and last authority is always our holy Father Francis. Therefore our houses are called friaries, which comes from the Latin, brotherhood. A friary is a brotherhood or a house of brothers. We do not have superiors as do Carmelites, Dominicans, Augustinians and other mendicants. The head of the brotherhood is called the Guardian. His mission is to take care of the needs of the brothers. He has no authority of governance over the brothers.

Every house has what is called a House Chapter. This takes place every month. In the chapter the brothers discuss their needs, make plans, discuss finances, distribution of labor, the spiritual life, their apostolate, etc. Then we vote on each item that we discuss. Whatever we decide must confirm to two things: 1) the will of St. Francis and 2) the constitutions of the order. Once the voting is done, it is the job of the Guardian to make it happen. The Guardian cannot order any friar to submit under obedience. He does not have that kind of authority.

The rule is very clear. The friars shall obey the pope, Brother Francis and his canonically elected successors. The canonically elected successors of St. Francis are the Major Superiors. They do have the power of absolute governance and absolute authority. There is no questioning a Major Superior. A Major Superior is the Provincial Superior and the Minister General of the Order.

The Major Superior is also an Ordinary. This means that he has the same authority as a bishop. He need not be a priest in the Franciscan family, as is the case in other families. As long as he is canonically elected, he is the successor of Francis and has all the authority of Francis. He elects who will be ordained and who will not. But this election is not done until after the friar has made solemn vows. Solemn vows are permanent. You can only leave the community with a dispensation from the Holy See.

No one enters the Franciscan family to be a priest. You enter the Franciscan family to be a brother to other brothers, to give your life to Christ in penance, obedience, poverty, prayer, liturgy, and ministry. Your ministry is determined between you and the Major Superior according to your gifts. Of course you must understand that your ministry has to be consistent with the minsitry of the fraternity. Different Franciscan fraternities have different ministries.

You may ask to be ordained. If approved by the friars, you will be sent to a theological school or to a university to study theology. Even then, at the end of your theological studies, you must present yourself again before your brothers and ask for to be admitted to solemn vows. The brothers vote. The vote is given to the Major Superior. He alone can decide if you can be admitted to solemn vows. After you make your solemn vows you must wait for a fixed period before you ask for Holy Orders. Again, you present yourself to your brothers and ask for permission to be ordained. The brothers will vote. If the vote is favorable, then the Major Superior has the authority to present you to a bishop to ordain you. If the vote is not favorable, the Major Superior may not veto it. He is bound by obedience to the friars. You would have to wait and ask again at a later date. It may eventually be granted, but it may be denied and you may be ordered never to ask again.

The priesthood is not essential to the Franciscan life, as we are not a family of clerics. We are a lay family, meaning that we are not a clerical order. We are consecrated men. We have many friars who are priests, very holy priests. But it is never a given that you will be ordained, because you want to be ordained. You cannot assume that in the Franciscan family.

However, in fairness to the individual, during the years that you are in formation before solemn vows, you will have an annual evaluation and you will receive feedback. By the time you are ready to make solemn vows, you have an idea whether you will be allowed to ask for ordination.

Whether you are ordained or not, I would not trade my Franciscan life for any other life in the world. Franciscan life is full of joy, struggles, reward, deserts and consolations. Most of all, the family spirit is so strong, that I can’t imagine being in any other place. This is from a man who was married and the father of three beautiful children. It’s always fun when we’re together and in the midst of a bunch of habits you hear “Daddy!”. That always throws people for a loop.

I hope this is informative.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
There aren’t any Franciscan monasteries in the local area, as far as I know, so I have a few questions about becoming ordained a Franciscan friar:
  1. Who has to ordain a person a Franciscan friar? (I.E. Does the priest have to be a Franciscan, a priestmonk, or does it have to be someone higher than a priest?)
  2. If there are no monasteries available, how would I fulfill my time for the probationary period?
  3. If I wanted to form a monastery after a period of time, who would I have to get permission from?
  4. If I decided to take up the life of Christ and St. Francis and just wander with no set home, would this be permissible? I.E. Would I remain a Franciscan, even though I didn’t belong to a monastery?
I notice from your post that you are still converting. Normally, in the Catholic Church, you would not be able to join a religious order for 3 years after your confirmation. It’s great that you are thinking about such things already though. As a recent convert myself, who is also considering religious life, I am thankful for this 3 year wait. It gives you the chance to work out what God really wants from your life. For now, just focus on being a faithful lay person, that’s the firm foundation of any other vocation in the Church.

As far as Franciscan life goes, Br JR is the one to listen to.

On question 4 - if you feel drawn to the life of St Francis but not to being a religious brother, you might want to consider being part of the Secular Franciscan Order, this is an order which St Francis founded for lay people who wanted to live by his example while still living in the world. Like the brothers, the secular Franciscans go through a novitiate, culminating in the taking of a vow, and live a life of penance and prayer in accordance with the way of St Francis, but in their state in life - i.e. they can marry, work in the world, etc. - they can also wander off and become mendicants, though that is a serious commitment, and one not to be undertaken lightly.

It’s great that you already have such a dedication to follow Christ in the way of St Francis. Don’t lose that passion that makes you desire such a radical Gospel-focussed life, but take your time and ask God to show you how He wants you to put it into practice.
 
Our community has a waiting period of two years for converts. But during those two years the candidate can be involved with the community and if he has not finished his undergraduate degree, he can work on it. He should also begin his graduate degree in theology and he needs to put in time in the local parish apostolate. He will need a reference from his pastor.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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