Franciscans and chant?

[mymamamary]

I have a question:

Did our Holy Father St. Francis ban chant from the friars??

(I highly doubt it as it was a central part of the Liturgy and Hours)

Also, anyone wanna link me with some GOOD franciscan chant??

Im thinking youtube or something…

something like the Benedictines of Solesmes…

 

[Byrnwiga]

My favourite Franciscan chants come from this CD by Ensemble Organum: amazon.com/Chant-Corse-Corsican-Franciscan-Manuscripts/dp/B000025YTH

Some tracks from the above CD:

Tantum Ergo:
youtube.com/watch?v=EXR75n7OH7o

Kyrie Eleison:
youtube.com/watch?v=0K1tkaMyUts

If you’d like to hear other tracks (the CD is no longer available), feel free to send me a PM.

-Byrnwiga

 

[Elizium23]

He did ban Gregorian chant. It is in the Constitution of the orders that they are not permitted to use it. Just ask JREducation.

 

[superamazingman]

So where does something like this fit in?

chantcafe.com/2011/11/propers-for-franciscans.html

Do they just not sing the Mass, or how does that all work?

 

[triumphguy]

So where does something like this fit in?

chantcafe.com/2011/11/propers-for-franciscans.html

Do they just not sing the Mass, or how does that all work?

The Franciscans were increasingly monasticized by the Church but Vatican II directed the Religious Orders to get back to their roots (radex) and so there were times when the Franciscans did act like monks, but their original charism, and their Rule(s) forbid it.

 

[roveau]

As already noted, St Francis of Assisi did discourage… ban… chanting. The logic behind this was that St Francis didn’t want his brothers (and sisters) to be concentrating on the form of the music rather than the words.

St Francis was making the point that the words are more important than the music. Too many people were were putting all their effort and concentration into singing techniques.

 

[superamazingman]

As already noted, St Francis of Assisi did discourage… ban… chanting. The logic behind this was that St Francis didn’t want his brothers (and sisters) to be concentrating on the form of the music rather than the words.

St Francis was making the point that the words are more important than the music. Too many people were were putting all their effort and concentration into singing techniques.

So, they just had low Masses, or what? I just don’t understand how that worked.

 

[Godefroy37]

Hey everyone and pax vobiscum!

I’m not much a chant or music savvy, although i did stumble upon this site, in which the author sustains that St. Francis “did not cease his interest in music”.

It does say, however, within the next phrases, that he admonished his friars from singing God’s praises as if they were “minstrels of the Lord”.

I’m not sure what conclusion to draw from the two affirmations. The rest goes on more in depth about the music itself. Take a look if you’re interested in the monastic chants topic.

Here’s the link: illinoismedieval.org/ems/VOL5/wagnerl.html

It’s part of “Franciscan Chant as a Late Medieval Musical Expression in the Liturgy”
-by Lavern John Wagner

Thank You.