Franklin Graham finds it 'hard to swallow' that Caitlyn Jenner got 'Courage Award'

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Agreed.
I find it really hard to swallow. I read an op/ed piece that stated that young people who also believe they are transgender will likely become more despondent due all the hoopla over Bruce. He has the cash, the contacts, the plastic surgeons, the designers to give lavish him with designer clothes, the media on his side, promoting him…
whereas the person struggling with these feelings has no one, and is more likely to say “I’m damaged goods”, I’ll never be like him , I don’t have those options, and will attempt suicide.
Now he’s touted as a hero, and set up as some kind of success story.
😦
The whole Bruce Jenner thing is pretty infuriating, to me. I’ll be honest: I’m a female to male transsexual and I’ve been on testosterone therapy for over a year and living as a man for about 6 years now. I don’t think that Jenner is really a transsexual. I think he’s a sort of transvestite called an autogynephile. His actions and the things he says just scream autogynephilia to me. I’ve known people like that in real life and they’re just very “off”. They often decide to “become” women when they’re in middle age or later. They’re usually heterosexual (attracted to women, in their case) and don’t want to have genital surgery. They tend to have a highly sexualized, immature concept of femininity, as transvestites usually do because it’s a sexual fetish/paraphilia. They don’t display dysphoria as children or report perceiving themselves as the opposite sex from a very young age. They also tend to have had very masculine careers, get married and father children before they decide to live as women.

Whereas actual transsexuals report a cross-sex identity from their earliest memories, along with a strong sex/body dysphoria, are distressed about their sex characteristics and desire to transition to their target sex as much as possible. They usually try to keep it quiet and just go on about their lives. They’re not going to feel comfortable getting married and using their genitals to have sex and reproduce.

So there’s a lot of people who call themselves transgender or transsexuals who really aren’t and who usually have a sexual fetish. That’s mostly found among natal males, but it happens in females to a lesser degree (i.e. there’s some FtMs who aren’t actually transsexuals but are a sort of transvestite, too). Real occurrences of transsexualism are very rare, like intersex conditions are rare. But it’s been heavily politicized and turned into a trend. So we have a lot of confused people who are muddying the waters and true transsexuals are thrown in with it.

I got fed up with the whole thing and now have nothing to do with the “trans community” or the wider “LGBT community” anymore. There’s too many weirdos and confused people involved in it who don’t really know who they are. What they really need is therapy. As for me, I just want to get on with my life and not cling to it as some sort of identity. It’s just a medical condition, to me. It’s similar to intersex conditions; it’s a sex differentiation disorder that occurs in utero when the brain is hit with a large amount of cross-sex hormones which causes it to form oppositely sexed compared to the rest of the body (that’s what causes the dysphoria).

I’m quite sure that Jenner has never had intensive therapy. When you have that kind of money, you can pay doctors and surgeons to do what you want. It’s tragic that we’re celebrating someone’s mental illness and not questioning it, even when it’s glaringly obvious that something’s not right here and his story doesn’t add up. That Diane Sawyer interview was extremely bizarre.

It just makes me so mad when people like Jenner are able to get all that surgery and be hailed as heroes when so many of us are dirt poor and have to suffer for years, not having access to treatment. 😦

Lauren Hill should’ve gotten the award. 😦
 
Isn’t Jenner associated with the Kardasians in some way? I had heard rumors of a reality show of his own.
Interesting way of gaining an additional 15 minutes.
Associated? that is the understatement of the year! he was stepfather to the kardashian children when he married Kris.
 
I got fed up with the whole thing and now have nothing to do with the “trans community” or the wider “LGBT community” anymore. There’s too many weirdos and confused people involved in it who don’t really know who they are. What they really need is therapy. As for me, I just want to get on with my life and not cling to it as some sort of identity. It’s just a medical condition, to me. It’s similar to intersex conditions; it’s a sex differentiation disorder that occurs in utero when the brain is hit with a large amount of cross-sex hormones which causes it to form oppositely sexed compared to the rest of the body (that’s what causes the dysphoria).
Your post in general is well thought-out, and it is thoughtful and balanced posts like this that give me pause.

It is very easy to reduce sexuality to the genitals. But, as you pointed out, it’s not always that easy, given intersexuality. It’s puzzling. But, since our souls are spiritual and not merely material - and since God is Masculine - I could believe sexuality’s in more than the genitals.

Still, seeing as we know so little about the mind, never mind the soul, I wish we had more knowledge about the mind so we could be sure the mind was sound. Sex change surgery feels to me like a last resort, or what with time may become a last resort - sort of like throwing an insane person into Bedlam, or giving them a lobotomy. It’s not an easy disease to understand, or treat. Not without drastic measures. And I think removing what otherwise would be healthy genitals is drastic.

It’s a quandary, it’s a quandary.
 
Associated? that is the understatement of the year! he was stepfather to the kardashian children when he married Kris.
What amazes me is that within the past decade you can gain an incredible amount of fame and notoriety for doing absolutely nothing, see Kim Kardashian. The most she has done was copycat Paris Hilton in making a sex tape.

Since then you can gain fame and notoriety for doing nothing other than being associated with someone who has gained fame and notoriety for doing absolutely nothing, see Bruce Jenner.
 
What amazes me is that within the past decade you can gain an incredible amount of fame and notoriety for doing absolutely nothing, see Kim Kardashian. The most she has done was copycat Paris Hilton in making a sex tape.

Since then you can gain fame and notoriety for doing nothing other than being associated with someone who has gained fame and notoriety for doing absolutely nothing, see Bruce Jenner.
Crazy isn’t!!!
 
Your post in general is well thought-out, and it is thoughtful and balanced posts like this that give me pause.

It is very easy to reduce sexuality to the genitals. But, as you pointed out, it’s not always that easy, given intersexuality. It’s puzzling. But, since our souls are spiritual and not merely material - and since God is Masculine - I could believe sexuality’s in more than the genitals.

Still, seeing as we know so little about the mind, never mind the soul, I wish we had more knowledge about the mind so we could be sure the mind was sound. Sex change surgery feels to me like a last resort, or what with time may become a last resort - sort of like throwing an insane person into Bedlam, or giving them a lobotomy. It’s not an easy disease to understand, or treat. Not without drastic measures. And I think removing what otherwise would be healthy genitals is drastic.

It’s a quandary, it’s a quandary.
Thanks. I’m glad you got something out of my post. 🙂

When it comes to the science behind it, it’s not for sure known what causes it but there is evidence that it is a biological issue. There’s brain studies which have shown that the brains of transsexuals are more alike the brains of the sex they identify as, rather than the sex the rest of their body is. If I recall correctly, there’s also been a gene found that’s associated with male to female transsexuals. There’s also the matter of digit ratios. For some reason, androgen exposure in the womb makes the child’s ring fingers longer than their index fingers. So males generally have a longer ring finger relative to their index fingers. With females, their ring and index fingers are usually about equal or the index might be a little longer. So that’s some easy proof that I was exposed to a high level of androgens in the womb because my index finger is longer than my index finger by about a knuckle.

So basically the best theory for what causes transsexualism is that the brain is exposed to high levels of cross-sex hormones in the womb. So a female fetus’ brain is exposed to a high level of testosterone which causes the brain to become masculinized. A transsexual man would be the result of that. Vice versa for transsexual women. We know that the brains of males and females are pretty different and much of this difference is due to hormone exposure in the womb. We don’t know what would cause this in utero mix-up, but fetal sex formation in the womb is actually a very delicate process which is easily botched.

As for chromosomes, a lot of people like to bring those up but they actually don’t play a large part in whether we’re males or females. It’s much more than that. DNA can’t tell you the whole story, either.

As for the surgeries and such: yes, having a sex change is a huge deal. You’re supposed to undergo a lot of therapy and testing before starting hormone therapy and having surgeries. You have to get letters signed by doctors and mental health specialists. They’re supposed to rule out any other issues that may be causing a cross-sex identity. But if the person is found to be psychologically stable and healthy, they are approved. But it’s a great thing for us since it relieves our dysphoria. It’s not possible to completely change your sex, but we do what we can to integrate our body to our identity and to be happy and healthy. It is not possible to change a person’s sex identity by meddling with the brain and “reparative therapy” is worthless in that respect, so changing the rest of the body is the only treatment that’s proven to work.

Anyway, my point is that transsexualism is a medical issue. It’s not a social or cultural thing or a matter of upbringing. It also has nothing to do with homosexuality or sexual orientation and I wish that people would stop conflating the two. It’s not a mental illness or a disease, either. It’s more of a congenital neurological problem. It’s closer to the category of intersex conditions. It’s just harder to “see” because it’s a brain issue.

When it comes to the spiritual aspects of it, I don’t know. I don’t know if I was “meant” to be a male or a female. All I can deal with is who I am now. I assume my soul is male. All I want is access to health care and to be left alone to live my life peacefully. I’m not trying to challenge anyone’s idea of what a man or woman is. In fact, I’m pretty conservative in that regard and I’m just one of the rare exceptions that proves the rule. Male/man and female/woman are rooted in biology. It’s not a social construct.

The “trans rights” movement is making things worse, honestly, by confusing things. It’s hurting us and not helping people to understand it better. I find that when you talk about it in medical/biological terms, people understand it better because then it actually makes sense.

isna.org/faq/y_chromosome
shb-info.org/sexbrain.html
bu.edu/news/2015/02/13/review-article-provides-evidence-on-the-biological-nature-of-gender-identity/
 
What amazes me is that within the past decade you can gain an incredible amount of fame and notoriety for doing absolutely nothing, see Kim Kardashian. The most she has done was copycat Paris Hilton in making a sex tape.

Since then you can gain fame and notoriety for doing nothing other than being associated with someone who has gained fame and notoriety for doing absolutely nothing, see Bruce Jenner.
Actually, Bruce Jenner is still riding on his Olympic glory from almost 40 years ago, even though he has done nothing of note since then except make a fool out of himself with the Kardashian mess and the current circus. Sad, really.
 
Actually, Bruce Jenner is still riding on his Olympic glory from almost 40 years ago, even though he has done nothing of note since then except make a fool out of himself with the Kardashian mess and the current circus. Sad, really.
Jenner had long been forgotten (if anyone honestly would have remembered him anyway) and was then a background personality on the Kardashian show, fame by association methinks.
This is the ESPYs, not a Congressional Medal of Honor.
Well ESPN is a sports network giving an award not related to sports but rather to exploit a tabloid narrative. Bruce Jenner is receiving an award for cross-dressing and assuming a female alias, what does that have to do with sports and/or ESPN?
 
Jenner had long been forgotten (if anyone honestly would have remembered him anyway) and was then a background personality on the Kardashian show, fame by association methinks.
True. I actually had no idea who he was until the Kardashian stuff. I was born in 1989 but I like to think I’m somewhat knowledgeable about past sports greats. He just doesn’t rate at all.
 
The whole Bruce Jenner thing is pretty infuriating, to me. I’ll be honest: I’m a female to male transsexual and I’ve been on testosterone therapy for over a year and living as a man for about 6 years now. I don’t think that Jenner is really a transsexual. I think he’s a sort of transvestite called an autogynephile. His actions and the things he says just scream autogynephilia to me. I’ve known people like that in real life and they’re just very “off”. They often decide to “become” women when they’re in middle age or later. They’re usually heterosexual (attracted to women, in their case) and don’t want to have genital surgery. They tend to have a highly sexualized, immature concept of femininity, as transvestites usually do because it’s a sexual fetish/paraphilia. They don’t display dysphoria as children or report perceiving themselves as the opposite sex from a very young age. They also tend to have had very masculine careers, get married and father children before they decide to live as women.

Whereas actual transsexuals report a cross-sex identity from their earliest memories, along with a strong sex/body dysphoria, are distressed about their sex characteristics and desire to transition to their target sex as much as possible. They usually try to keep it quiet and just go on about their lives. They’re not going to feel comfortable getting married and using their genitals to have sex and reproduce.

So there’s a lot of people who call themselves transgender or transsexuals who really aren’t and who usually have a sexual fetish. That’s mostly found among natal males, but it happens in females to a lesser degree (i.e. there’s some FtMs who aren’t actually transsexuals but are a sort of transvestite, too). Real occurrences of transsexualism are very rare, like intersex conditions are rare. But it’s been heavily politicized and turned into a trend. So we have a lot of confused people who are muddying the waters and true transsexuals are thrown in with it.

I got fed up with the whole thing and now have nothing to do with the “trans community” or the wider “LGBT community” anymore. There’s too many weirdos and confused people involved in it who don’t really know who they are. What they really need is therapy. As for me, I just want to get on with my life and not cling to it as some sort of identity. It’s just a medical condition, to me. It’s similar to intersex conditions; it’s a sex differentiation disorder that occurs in utero when the brain is hit with a large amount of cross-sex hormones which causes it to form oppositely sexed compared to the rest of the body (that’s what causes the dysphoria).

I’m quite sure that Jenner has never had intensive therapy. When you have that kind of money, you can pay doctors and surgeons to do what you want. It’s tragic that we’re celebrating someone’s mental illness and not questioning it, even when it’s glaringly obvious that something’s not right here and his story doesn’t add up. That Diane Sawyer interview was extremely bizarre.

It just makes me so mad when people like Jenner are able to get all that surgery and be hailed as heroes when so many of us are dirt poor and have to suffer for years, not having access to treatment. 😦

Lauren Hill should’ve gotten the award. 😦
Thank you for your post. It was really informative and valuable to the discussion. What you’ve said really hit on some of my thoughts about the issue as well that there are those that its mostly just about a sexual perversion rather than real issue that can be medical in origin.

I also just wanted to say that I am sorry for your suffering in this. I see that you relate yourself as Catholic… and if its not too personal to share, how did you decide to go through with the transition? Is it because as you said you just identify it as a medical condition? Could you explain to us maybe why you feel it is so and not something sinful? Like, how can you be sure its a medical condition… and does that make it ok? I’m curious- and I hope its not too personal or offensive to ask those questions. I do not mean to pry and of course feel free not to answer if you don’t want to. I respect your (name removed by moderator)ut.

I’ve said this before here on CA, but there was a person in my parish who was born intersex… I watched this person suffer through it. It really makes one wonder about gender and God. I feel badly for those who have this cross especially when it comes to faith and social expectancies. It must be severely confusing and hurtful. And not to diminish that hurt at all, but to some small degree in comparison, it is also confusing and hurtful to those who are not suffering through this and watch or hear of others go through it.
 
Thank you for your post. It was really informative and valuable to the discussion. What you’ve said really hit on some of my thoughts about the issue as well that there are those that its mostly just about a sexual perversion rather than real issue that can be medical in origin.

I also just wanted to say that I am sorry for your suffering in this. I see that you relate yourself as Catholic… and if its not too personal to share, how did you decide to go through with the transition? Is it because as you said you just identify it as a medical condition? Could you explain to us maybe why you feel it is so and not something sinful? Like, how can you be sure its a medical condition… and does that make it ok? I’m curious- and I hope its not too personal or offensive to ask those questions. I do not mean to pry and of course feel free not to answer if you don’t want to. I respect your (name removed by moderator)ut.

I’ve said this before here on CA, but there was a person in my parish who was born intersex… I watched this person suffer through it. It really makes one wonder about gender and God. I feel badly for those who have this cross especially when it comes to faith and social expectancies. It must be severely confusing and hurtful. And not to diminish that hurt at all, but to some small degree in comparison, it is also confusing and hurtful to those who are not suffering through this and watch or hear of others go through it.
Thanks.

Well, it’s pretty simple to me. I don’t believe it’s sinful to have a sex change due to strong sex dysphoria because of science. Science tells us that males and females have brain differences and that there’s all sorts of conditions and possibilities that can screw things up in the womb during sex formation. External physical features don’t tell everything about what a person’s sex is. You can look externally anatomically female yet have vestigial testes. Sometimes things just get screwed up. If you believe in the Fall, it’s not so hard to comprehend, imo. We suffer disorders and such, including congenital ones, because we’re living in an imperfect state and this imperfection extends to our genes and such.

The thing is that most people just don’t understand it because they’ve never had to deal with it. They’re just normal and it’s never an issue to them. Everything matches up. But we have to deal with it 24/7 because the disparity is glaringly obvious to us. Also, most people have a very black and white and scientifically ignorant view of biology and anatomy. It’s not always clear-cut and there’s biological shades of grey. Yes, most people are male or female, but nature produces aberrations that have some level of both in one body. There’s so many things that can go wrong. (Actually, all people have elements of both sexes in them because we all produce the hormones of both sexes. It’s just that which hormone your body primarily functions on and which hormone has shaped your brain the most decides which sex you are. 😉 )

It’s like how people talk about chromosomes being the decisive factor for whether you’re male or female. That’s just wrong. For example, there’s a condition called Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome where the fetus has an XY karotype yet their body doesn’t respond to androgens at all and so they develop as externally female. In fact, they tend to feminize even more than XX karotype females do because even XX females produce small amounts of testosterone which has an effect, yet CAIS females don’t respond to testosterone at all. So is the person with CAIS a man or woman?

For example:
youtube.com/watch?v=cJxZe4KAdqU

Is Katie a man or a woman? Is she sinning because she was born with a medical condition and had to correct it using hormones and surgery? Is her having relations with a man a sort of homosexual activity (she’s attracted to and has relationships with men)? Or even with me, I identify as a heterosexual man (I’m attracted to women) and I’ve never identified as a woman/female. So even after I complete my transition (with genital surgery), would that still be “lesbianism”?

See, this is where our views of things have to be reexamined in light of science. It’s like, I agree with natural law theory but it has to be modified to account for those who are intersex and transsexual (transsexualism may actually be a form of intersex, to be honest). There’s not many of us but we do exist and these things need to be considered. Current Church doctrine actually has little to nothing to say about this. It doesn’t fall under the teachings about homosexuality for what I would hope are obvious reasons. I’m not a woman, I don’t want to be a woman, I don’t want to act as a woman in a relationship/marriage. I want to be a husband and a father. I don’t want to be a mother or wife, because I’m not a woman.

Honestly, unless I chose to divulge it you, you would never know, anyway. I can get my name and gender marker changed on my legal documents and ID. I can change the gender marker on my birth certificate, too. So even if same-sex “marriage” was never legalized, I would still be able to have a legal marriage to a woman. 🤷

So this is quite a quandry, especially with respect to Church teaching. This is something they haven’t addressed and I hope they do.
 
ESPN is a sports network desperately trying to woo viewers in an ever-expanding buffet of viewing options. It wanted to attract attention to itself… and it has done just that.
Exactly. The awards were obviously a set-up, both in which candidates were nominated and in which candidate was ultimately chosen as the winner, rather than an honest effort by sports journalists to actually find the most deserving athletes in each category, whether or not those athletes had previously been extensively covered on ESPN. Sporting events and sports personalities given more air time by ESPN and its affiliated stations were grossly over-represented. It was an exercise in ESPN self-worship.
 
Thanks.

Well, it’s pretty simple to me. I don’t believe it’s sinful to have a sex change due to strong sex dysphoria because of science. Science tells us that males and females have brain differences and that there’s all sorts of conditions and possibilities that can screw things up in the womb during sex formation. External physical features don’t tell everything about what a person’s sex is. You can look externally anatomically female yet have vestigial testes. Sometimes things just get screwed up. If you believe in the Fall, it’s not so hard to comprehend, imo. We suffer disorders and such, including congenital ones, because we’re living in an imperfect state and this imperfection extends to our genes and such.

The thing is that most people just don’t understand it because they’ve never had to deal with it. They’re just normal and it’s never an issue to them. Everything matches up. But we have to deal with it 24/7 because the disparity is glaringly obvious to us. Also, most people have a very black and white and scientifically ignorant view of biology and anatomy. It’s not always clear-cut and there’s biological shades of grey. Yes, most people are male or female, but nature produces aberrations that have some level of both in one body. There’s so many things that can go wrong. (Actually, all people have elements of both sexes in them because we all produce the hormones of both sexes. It’s just that which hormone your body primarily functions on and which hormone has shaped your brain the most decides which sex you are. 😉 )

It’s like how people talk about chromosomes being the decisive factor for whether you’re male or female. That’s just wrong. For example, there’s a condition called Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome where the fetus has an XY karotype yet their body doesn’t respond to androgens at all and so they develop as externally female. In fact, they tend to feminize even more than XX karotype females do because even XX females produce small amounts of testosterone which has an effect, yet CAIS females don’t respond to testosterone at all. So is the person with CAIS a man or woman?

For example:
youtube.com/watch?v=cJxZe4KAdqU

Is Katie a man or a woman? Is she sinning because she was born with a medical condition and had to correct it using hormones and surgery? Is her having relations with a man a sort of homosexual activity (she’s attracted to and has relationships with men)? Or even with me, I identify as a heterosexual man (I’m attracted to women) and I’ve never identified as a woman/female. So even after I complete my transition (with genital surgery), would that still be “lesbianism”?

See, this is where our views of things have to be reexamined in light of science. It’s like, I agree with natural law theory but it has to be modified to account for those who are intersex and transsexual (transsexualism may actually be a form of intersex, to be honest). There’s not many of us but we do exist and these things need to be considered. Current Church doctrine actually has little to nothing to say about this. It doesn’t fall under the teachings about homosexuality for what I would hope are obvious reasons. I’m not a woman, I don’t want to be a woman, I don’t want to act as a woman in a relationship/marriage. I want to be a husband and a father. I don’t want to be a mother or wife, because I’m not a woman.

Honestly, unless I chose to divulge it you, you would never know, anyway. I can get my name and gender marker changed on my legal documents and ID. I can change the gender marker on my birth certificate, too. So even if same-sex “marriage” was never legalized, I would still be able to have a legal marriage to a woman. 🤷

So this is quite a quandry, especially with respect to Church teaching. This is something they haven’t addressed and I hope they do.
Bruce Jenner does not have Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. His body is not sexually ambiguous, nor is his DNA. There is no “quandary” about what sex he belongs to. He has sexual dysphoria.

Some people have species dysphoria. Does that mean they aren’t “really” human? No, it does not. Other people have a deep feeling that they belong to a different race or are not genetically related to their biological family. Is the DNA wrong and the feeling “the truth” in that case? No. The feeling is real,–I am NOT saying that these patients are lying to anyone–it may even have an organic cause, but it is a misperception.

It is not a sin to feel a dysphoria, but it would take a pretty extreme delusional state before mutilation of healthy body parts is warranted as treatment, not to mention what amounts to an identity suicide in which the old self is destroyed, old relationships are destroyed, and a new “true” self is created to take its place, developing new relationships with previously-known persons. People with sexual dysphoria do not find their emotional symptoms are magically relived by having surgery, taking hormones, and inventing a new persona. They still have serious mental health issues.
 
Bruce Jenner does not have Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. His body is not sexually ambiguous, nor is his DNA. There is no “quandary” about what sex he belongs to. He has sexual dysphoria.

Some people have species dysphoria. Does that mean they aren’t “really” human? No, it does not. Other people have a deep feeling that they belong to a different race or are not genetically related to their biological family. Is the DNA wrong and the feeling “the truth” in that case? No. The feeling is real,–I am NOT saying that these patients are lying to anyone–it may even have an organic cause, but it is a misperception.

It is not a sin to feel a dysphoria, but it would take a pretty extreme delusional state before mutilation of healthy body parts is warranted as treatment, not to mention what amounts to an identity suicide in which the old self is destroyed, old relationships are destroyed, and a new “true” self is created to take its place, developing new relationships with previously-known persons. People with sexual dysphoria do not find their emotional symptoms are magically relived by having surgery, taking hormones, and inventing a new persona. They still have serious mental health issues.
Er, you should reread my post. I wasn’t talking about Bruce Jenner at all in that post. I don’t even consider Bruce Jenner to be a transsexual. He has some other condition. He’s not intersex, either. I was answering AnneElizabeth’s questions she asked me, as a person with transsexualism.

“Species dysphoria” and “race dysphoria” are made-up and have no scientific evidence to back them up. It’s very offensive and ignorant to attempt to equate those things to sex dysphoria. It’s not possible to be “transspecies” or “transrace”. Biology alone rules that out.

No one said that hormones and surgery are a cure-all for all your issues. But they do help to relieve dysphoria, which is the point. I know I’m happier with myself since beginning testosterone therapy.
 
What the Allies had when they stormed the beaches of Normandy-- that is courage.
 
I came across this very interesting article:
Representatives of Caitlyn Jenner reportedly negotiated her ESPYs award in exchange for PR plugs in her upcoming TV series and threatened to pull out of her 20/20 interview.
Reports have emerged that Jenner’s team approached ESPN with the idea that she win the Arthur Ashe Courage Award just as details were being finalized for her 20/20 interview with Diane Sawyer on ABC.
ABC and ESPN are both owned by Disney, and ABC aired Wednesday’s awards ceremony.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163299/Caitlyn-Jenner-s-reps-demanded-ESPYs-award-exchange-PR-plugs-Diane-Sawyer-interview.html

Makes sense to me. That is so disgusting. 😦
 
**But he didn’t’ become a woman. ** That’s the lie that everyone is being forced to believe.

He is still a man who chooses to dress and act and pretend that he is a woman… i.e. he is trying to be “womanly”. ( I put womanly in quotes because dressing up in dresses and wearing make up is not what makes a woman a woman!) That is all this is or ever will be, regardless if he ever gets surgery. Its a fact that (from what he says) this makes him more comfortable as a person. That is all.
There was nothing womanly about that gravely voice. Not trying to be ugly. I was flipping channels when she was speaking.
 
Would that our Bishops were more like Franklin Graham. This is not the time to be quietly straddling the fence.
 
“I think Caitlyn’s decision to publicly come out as a transgender woman and live as Caitlyn Jenner displayed enormous courage and self-acceptance,…”
Surely this is the epitome of calling white, ‘black’ and black, ‘white.’

How can denying pretty much everything about one’s existing “self” possibly count as “self-acceptance?”

Never mind, don’t even try to explain. You will only hurt yourself doing the contortion that would be required. :rolleyes:
 
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