Fraudulent Tribunal?

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I just received an preliminary denial of my nullity petition of my marriage for lack of delegation on the premise that the now retired priest lacked the authority to marry me and my ex. If it was approved it would have prevented a hardship of me needing to prove that my ex wife was narcissist at the time.

There are absolutely no church records anywhere showing any marriage at all on the time. None! The priest who married us at the time told me he did not have the local delegation that was needed and did not have the time or opportunity to get it. He doesn’t remember this now.

He told the tribunal recently that he is confident he would not have gone through the wedding unless everything was in order. When I asked him about it, he said he meant l only that the out of state marriage license was in order. Delegation was not on his radar because he relied on a deacon who is now deceased. The deacon clearly dropped the ball.

Am I wrong to see the tribunal’s interpretation as a mischaracterization of what the priest actually said and meant? I told the tribunal judge what I thought and she replied that it did not change her mind
and told me to pursue a classic annulment way by proving her narcissism at the time. I only have 2-3 informed living witnesses who have any knowledge, but they arbitrarily say they need five witnesses. Possibly an impossible task.

Since when is a mischaracterization in a judicial system not a kin to a lie? It’s make me hard to not see the process as dishonest and irrelevant.
 
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Am I wrong to see the tribunal’s interpretation as a mischaracterization of what the priest actually said and meant?
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Maybe, maybe not. I don’t mean to be flippant but I don’t see any other way to answer that question.
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Since when is a mischaracterization in a judicial system not a kin to a lie?
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I’m not sure about that but I do know that when judges come to opposite conclusions on the same case it doesn’t necessarily mean that any one of them is lying.

Moving forward with your prospective case requires competent assistance and nobody can give that to you in this forum.

Dan
 
The local tribunal may be able to provide canonical assistance, free of charge…if one wants to go that route.

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Well, the tribunal said if I drop the lack of delegation, then I can go back to square 1. They gave me an idea of what canon might work, but it also requires 5 witnesses at the time of the marriage who would say that my ex was not mentally stable.

If you know much of narcissistic personality disorders, you know it is not easily observed. I may know 2-3 living people with insight at the time of the wedding, but the tribunal requires a minimum of witnesses that makes it a seemingly impossible task.

I’m feeling the local tribunal is corrupt and non-trustworthy. I wish I didn’t feel that way.
 
Is your wife diagnosed with NPD? Because Narcissism is in every person to a degree. Some more than others, and not all people that have Narcissistic tendencies are diagnosed with NPD. If one checks You Tube on this there are thousands of videos on Narcissism, alot of those judge people to be Narcissistic but without a clinical diagnosis. A good book I want to read on this is: Rethinking Narcissism by Dr.Craig Malkin.
 
I wish she had a diagnosis. My ex-wife and most people with NPD will never allow themselves to undergo any mental examination. They have an extreme version of pride on steroids that prevents them from believing anything at all is wrong with them.
 
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I just received an preliminary denial of my nullity petition of my marriage for lack of delegation on the premise that the now retired priest lacked the authority to marry me and my ex. If it was approved it would have prevented a hardship of me needing to prove that my ex wife was narcissist at the time.

There are absolutely no church records anywhere showing any marriage at all on the time. None! The priest who married us at the time told me he did not have the local delegation that was needed and did not have the time or opportunity to get it. He doesn’t remember this now.
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If there is no record of any marriage at the parish, this coupled with the fact that the priest did not have the delegation to perform the marriage, then it sounds as though there is no ecclesiastical marriage to annul. I’m assuming you have a civil marriage license. What is the problem with simply presenting these facts? Is the priest asserting that there was a marriage, that he did indeed have the delegation, and that he simply forgot to record it?

I would get a canon lawyer. A lack of form annulment is much easier to get and does not require documentation of any subjective factors, such as the NPD you describe and the inability to prove it.
 
A lack of form is exactly what I raised. However, the tribunal says the lack of paper tail has no bearing whatsoever. Where can I find a canon lawyer?
 
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A lack of form is exactly what I raised. However, the tribunal says the lack of paper tail has no bearing whatsoever. Where can I find a canon lawyer?
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You might try this one, with which I have limited dealings (just canonical advice and verification of facts, not submission of documents for a nullity petition):

http://www.canonlawprofessionals.com/

There is a cost for this — canon lawyers have to make a living too. I wouldn’t ask the diocese to recommend or appoint one. I would have absolutely zero faith in a diocese which had treated me the way yours has treated you.
 
I really feel sorry for your situation. I have a family member who is a narcissist. There are many people who think he is wonderful.
But from what I understand if the pastor let you use the church the priest who married you had tacit delegation.
Even if this is not so I don’t think it is lack of form if the priest a bride and groom and 2 witnesses are present at a wedding in a Catholic church building
My post is full of qualifiers because I am not a canon lawyer, jjust a former f i eld advocate.
 
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At the link I posted above.

You may be able to approach different Tribunals. One is allowed to file in:

Diocese where you reside
Diocese where your ex resides
Diocese where the wedding took place

Call the St Joseph group above.
 
The secretary opened the doors of the church because there was a crowd coming there was not parish priests on the premises at all.
 
Are you sure I can file in the the diocese where the wedding occurred?
 
The license says where it took place right? If it was in the church with a priest and two witnesses it might be illicit but not invalid. Talk to a canon lawyer or try the tribunal again.
 
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