Free Muslim Coalition

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OK I will stop after this…

  1. *]Say that the U.S. is treating Muslim Iraqis wrong when some of the richest people on earth, who are Muslim, don’t make any effort to send them huge sums of money and treat them right. (Shows you how much they really care about their fellow brethren)
    *]Insist that Israel is occupying Palestine, never mind that the Arabs have been occupying North Africa and countries such as Egypt and Sudan since the 8th century.
    *]Insist that Islam is the true religion of God and present evidence of its truthfulness based on the number of new converts. Hence, number determines truthfulness. Never mind the fact that Christianity is larger than Islam and therefore we must assume that Islam is false until it surpasses Christianity in number.
    *]Accuse Israel of violating human rights of Palestinians even though we know of no Islamic country we can emulate as a true example of human rights.
    *]Get angry at the U.S. for invading Iraq to get rid of Saddam but apparently tolerates when Saddam kills innocent Muslims. (I guess they aren’t their brother’s keepers but this job must be given to the infidels.)
    *]Accuse the west of being infidels just because we know how to read, write and recite books other than the Quran.
    *]Criticize Christian evangelism when they immigrated to lands founded upon the principles of Christianity. (Maybe they should go back to the Middle East and see how much freedom they will have there.)
    *]Want freedom of expression in following Islam but consistently attempts to disallow this same expression when it comes to criticizing Islam. Talk about a double standard.
    *]Insist the Christians adhere to the true sayings of Jesus in the Quran even though the Quran wasn’t invented until 7th century and the NT documents comes from the same time frame of his life.
    *]Attack the Bible by saying that it is corrupted because we allegedly don’t have the NT documents from within the first 200 years (which is absolutely false based on recent NT document evidence) of Jesus but insist that we must follow the Quran which is true EVEN THOUGH IT IS 700 YEARS AFTER THE LIFE OF JESUS.
    *]Insist that Arabic is the language of God **even though he revealed the Torah in Hebrew, the books of Nehemiah and Ezra in Aramaic and the NT in Greek. **
    *]Refer to the Quran to prove Bible corruption **even though the Quran doesn’t tell us what verses or books or information in the Bible is corrupted. **
    *]Claim that St. Paul was a liar who invented Christianity **but yet appeals to this same liar when it comes to him preaching to the Arabs in their native tongue and then claimed that he used the name “Allah”. **
    *]Insist that Paul treated women wrong in 2 Corinthians but make no mentioned that Islam doesn’t allow women to speak or lead mosques or become Sheiks. Let’s not forget that women may be beaten also by their husbands.
    *]Accuse Christians of the west of being sexually perverted **while exhaustively attempting to justify Muhammad sleeping with Aisha when she was 9 and he was 53. **
    *]Claim that Muhammad’s marriage to the 9 year old Aisha was a common culture practice of the day EVEN THOUGH Muhammad supposed to transcend man-made cultures and represent a model for all mankind.
    *]Insist that the Quran is a guide for all mankind; needless to say that most of mankind doesn’t know a lick of Arabic.
 
I apoligize for the extended thread I sent…I had been thinking about this stuff for some time and compiling information…I actually posted it to the Why Islam thread earlier this week but deen was suspended and I think people have stopped reading that thread. I really wanted to hear our Muslim brothers and sisters comments surrounding my analysis. Looking forward to everyones thoughts.
 
Deus Vult:
Insist that Islam has no superstitions while there are prescribed prayers and rituals to combat black magic, witchcraft, sorcery, evil eyes, stone throwing jinns etc.
I wouldn’t really call that superstition. Catholicism has the Rituale Romanum and you can talk to Fr. Corapi if you think that magic and sorcery doesn’t exist.
 
Rand Al'Thor:
I wouldn’t really call that superstition. Catholicism has the Rituale Romanum and you can talk to Fr. Corapi if you think that magic and sorcery doesn’t exist.
Correct…I did not say it did not exist. I said Islam contradicts itself on the matter.
 
I seek 72 Virgins in Heaven, and there is nothing wrong with that. But I dont believe in killing Innocent people, which are two completly seperate concepts.

Munawar
Munawar,

You “don’t believe in killing ‘innocent’ people.” But are you going to kill infidels (to get to heaven)?

Pio
 
Rand Al'Thor:
But that’s the same for Christianity too. In Europe there used to be no such thing as seperation of church and state. Take England for example, especially post-Reformation. The English monarch was (and still is, technically) the head of the Church of England.
Thanks, Rand, but that really doesn’t address my question. Perhaps I phrased it poorly. I am wondering how moderate Muslims in modern times address the seeming contradiction of promoting Islamic law (shariah) and promoting democratic government based on the separation of church and state. I agree that Christianity has historically faced this same issue, but for the most part, Christianity (at least to the best of my knowledge) seems in modern times to have accepted the wisdom of separation between civil and religious law.

What I do not see that Christianity has in common with Islam (and maybe this is simply a lack of knowledge on my part) is the emphasis on religion as an entire way of life encompassing all aspects of life, including government, as an integral and required component of the practice of the religion. So far, I haven’t found anything in Islam equivalent to the instruction to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s.

I am wondering if Islam has any command, ideal, or even interpretation within the religion to justify support of democratic government not controlled by Islam, or if the attempt to reinterpret Islam for the 21st century is going to have to be done in opposition to currently accepted Islamic beliefs regarding the responsibility of Muslims to spread Islamic law.
 
Deus Vult:
Correct…I did not say it did not exist. I said Islam contradicts itself on the matter.
Peace be with you!

Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. But still, superstitions and prayers against real evils are two different things. Maybe I’m just still misunderstanding. Feel free to correct me.

In Christ,
Rand
 
Rand Al'Thor:
Peace be with you!

Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. But still, superstitions and prayers against real evils are two different things. Maybe I’m just still misunderstanding. Feel free to correct me.

In Christ,
Rand
I think we just see it differently…and its definately not the biggest issue I posted.
 
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