Free will and foreknowledge revisited

[mikeledes]

On the contrary, you must show that morality and “libertarian” free will are intrinsically contradictory! If you cannot, then you must assume it is possible (from there I can go on to demonstrate the flaw in arguing determinism+morality with a diety assumed to be the defining source of all morality, but that is jumping ahead).
Second, “if our desires do not influence us fully, then the (ultimate) determinant of our actions is unaffected by desires and therefore outside the realm of moral discourse” - you have not justified this assumption with logic, you have merely assumed it, which leads me to think you are not aware of the logical arguments surrounding it, which is where I am heading. If you are aware of the logic supporting your claim, please present it.

God Bless,
Michael

 

[mikeledes]

What I am also interested in knowing, Confessor, is why you are a compatibilist Calvinist? While compatibilism is the most popular doctrine among Calvinists, there are Calvinists who are known as “hard determinists” and deny compatibilism. Why aren’t you a hard determinist?

I’ll have to answer your most recent responses to my posts another day. I have to go and I probably will not be online tomorrow. I hope you have a very blessed evening and a very blessed Wednesday.

God Bless,
Michael

 

[Confessor01]

So, IMO, your argument establishes the impossibility of compatibility between libertarian freedom and morality.

. . . insofar as morality entails the persuasiveness to some degree of unchosen influences – which, for the last time, I believe is applicable to creatures and not necessarily to the Creator.

 

[Confessor01]

What I am also interested in knowing, Confessor, is why you are a compatibilist Calvinist? While compatibilism is the most popular doctrine among Calvinists, there are Calvinists who are known as “hard determinists” and deny compatibilism. Why aren’t you a hard determinist?

From what I know (perhaps I am mistaken), a hard determinist does not believe in morality, so either I do not know enough about the labels, or the allegedly Calvinistic hard determinists do not know enough about the labels.

 

[mikeledes]

. . . insofar as morality entails the persuasiveness to some degree of unchosen influences – which, for the last time, I believe is applicable to creatures and not necessarily to the Creator.

Did God chose His holiness, His omniscience, etc?

God Bless,
Michael

 

[mikeledes]

From what I know (perhaps I am mistaken), a hard determinist does not believe in morality, so either I do not know enough about the labels, or the allegedly Calvinistic hard determinists do not know enough about the labels.

I don’t think hard determinists like Calvinist Vincent Cheung do not believe in morality? Is that a claim you base on a conclusion you draw from their arguments?

God Bless,
Michael