Free Will and Predestination Unification Theory

[SPBlitz]

Is this even remotely conceivable?

Im not sure what you’re asking. Are you asking why a soul would eternally refuse? Perhaps if Hell existed in time, and was a mere succession of events in which a soul could change, then a soul could repent. But eternity is not the same as infinite time. Our closest approximation to eternity is the present. And if eternity is better approximated as all moments being present, then someone who is unrepentant at one present moment would be unrepentant at all moments.

This becomes easier to see if the pains and torments of Hell are internally applied - if it’s the mere fact of the dam end soul being what it is, as Lewis put he. He continues that, “I do not mean that the ghosts may not wish to come out of hell, in the vague fashion wherein an envious man ‘wishes’ to be happy: but they certainly do not will even the first preliminary stages of that self-abandonment through which alone the soul can reach any good. They enjoy forever the horrible freedom they have demanded, and are therefore self-enslaved”

 

[Freddy]

They enjoy forever the horrible freedom they have demanded, and are therefore self-enslaved”

If they enjoy it then good luck to them. But ‘horrible freedom’? I’d guess that as an atheist you might say I have that already. I have to say it doesn’t feel horrible.

But then, if I were dead and there was an afterlife and I knew God existed, then why would I turn from Him then?

 

[FChichizola]

Here is my take on this. God is all merciful, while alive, we have the opportunity to turn to Him and ask for forgiveness. Why while living only? Because while living, we are affected by time, hence have the opportunity to change our minds.
Now, after death, we are not affected by time, So we can’t change our minds anymore, we can’t go back. If we die in state of mortal sin, this is turning ourselves away from God, we just condemned ourselves for eternity. God didn’t, we do it to ourselves.

 

[SPBlitz]

d guess that as an atheist you might say I have that already. I have to say it doesn’t feel horrible

Maybe, but that’s because you exist in time currently. Who know what it’ll be like to have all our vices grown and accelerated through eternity. To have a “will utterly centred in itself and passions utterly uncontrolled by the will”, as Lewis put it.

But then, if I were dead and there was an afterlife and I knew God existed, then why would I turn from Him then?

Id imagine it’s because Gods will would differ from the dammed soul’s will. There would be something else, some vice or sin that the damned soul refuses to give up, even at the expense of its own happiness.

 

[EndTimes]

Jesus is a “do-over” of sorts in that Adam and Eve were told that the wages of sin is death. God formulated a plan to pay back that price by allowing Jesus to fix the problem. That’s kind-of like getting sent to Hell and then having God formulate a way to bail you out. In other words, the human race was condemned to death permanently (through one single act of disobedience), but the status of that punishment was changed from being permanent to being lifted completely, though on on a case-by-case basis.

No. It wasn’t PreDestined… in the sense of an exercise of God’s Active Creative Will.

Man’s misusing his God-Given Free Will via Freely DisObeying God by Obeying Satan

Made the need for Man to be ReDeemed back to God by the Sacrifice of a portion of God Himself’’

God’s very WORD - aka JESUS

Anything Else?

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

But then, if I were dead and there was an afterlife and I knew God existed, then why would I turn from Him then?

Id imagine it’s because Gods will would differ from the dammed soul’s will. There would be something else, some vice or sin that the damned soul refuses to give up, even at the expense of its own happiness.

You are saying there’d be something I’d prefer then eternal bliss…

 

[EndTimes]

You are saying there’d be something I’d prefer then eternal bliss…

When it comes down to completely knowing the internal conditions of one whom 100% reject(ed) God - Such as the Angelic Creature SATAN has - we cannot (know).

Suffice to say: Yes! I want to be with God in His Kingdom -

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