Free Will

[shaky]

This could be just a matter of perception from the part of the Israel people.

In actuality, God would have known that Moses would not be allowed in to the promised land at the moment of creation.

God Bless

Well i could also show you other scriptures where things did not come to the mind of God as regarding what people were doing. Or that he did not know what was going to happen till it happened.
We talk about God but God exists in three Persons. I accept the Father Knows Everything. But what about the Son does he know everything?
When God visited people and talked to people in the old testament. Was that the Father or the Son?

 

[ddarko]

Well i could also show you other scriptures where things did not come to the mind of God as regarding what people were doing. Or that he did not know what was going to happen till it happened.
We talk about God but God exists in three Persons. I accept the Father Knows Everything. But what about the Son does he know everything?
When God visited people and talked to people in the old testament. Was that the Father or the Son?

The other persons in the Holy Trinity has access to everything God the father does. So yes, they all know.

Your position you mentioned is prominently known as Open Theism. But Open theism hinges on passages exactly like the ones you presented i.e. that deal with perception of actions of God by Israel rather than direct revelation of the fact.

There are Open Theist who would say God knows the future but is open to change. But this is logically pointless because if God knows the future, he would also know that someone would pray. And hence he would have already compensated for it.

In any case, Open Theism is not an option for a Christian. Even Tradition opposes the view.

On the other hand, one has direct Scriptural evidence for God being unchanging. You have passages like Mal 3:6, Judith 9:5-6 where God directly states his unchanging nature or is proclaimed to be unchanging. This is why one cannot subscribe to Open Theism as a Christian.

God Bless

 

[ddarko]

Well i could also show you other scriptures where things did not come to the mind of God as regarding what people were doing. Or that he did not know what was going to happen till it happened.
We talk about God but God exists in three Persons. I accept the Father Knows Everything. But what about the Son does he know everything?
When God visited people and talked to people in the old testament. Was that the Father or the Son?

Oh and the other way perhaps to look at it is,

We have two sets of passages in Scripture. One talking of Unchanging God and one talking of instances where God seemed to have changed his mind etc.

Now, if we say we want to conclude that God does change his mind, then we have a problem in how to explain Scripture on God’s unchanging nature. We can’t say that was perception for one cannot perceive unchanging nature.

On the other hand, taking the position God is unchanging can still explain the instances where God seems to be changing. One can see them as merely perceptions.

So lets take the following example

Adam doesn’t have money to treat his disease which is going to cause his death and has been living a sinful life. He repents and prays to God. Suddenly someone comes donates money and he treats his disease and becomes better.

Now at first glance, one can say God changed his mind and had mercy.

On the other hand, Divine Providence says that God anticipated Adam’s prayer already for God knew what Adam will freely do at that moment. Therefore, at the moment of creation, he arranged the events such that would lead the stranger donate money.

God Bless

 

[shaky]

The other persons in the Holy Trinity has access to everything God the father does. So yes, they all know.

Your position you mentioned is prominently known as Open Theism. But Open theism hinges on passages exactly like the ones you presented i.e. that deal with perception of actions of God by Israel rather than direct revelation of the fact.

There are Open Theist who would say God knows the future but is open to change. But this is logically pointless because if God knows the future, he would also know that someone would pray. And hence he would have already compensated for it.

In any case, Open Theism is not an option for a Christian. Even Tradition opposes the view.

On the other hand, one has direct Scriptural evidence for God being unchanging. You have passages like Mal 3:6, Judith 9:5-6 where God directly states his unchanging nature or is proclaimed to be unchanging. This is why one cannot subscribe to Open Theism as a Christian.

God Bless

I understand the father knows everything. Its the Son that knows everything that i question
because Jesus did show he did not know everything in Matthew 24:36.

This is why i thought it must have been God the Son that visited and talked to mankind in the old testament. And he did not know what was happening at times. I know Jesus demonstrated he knew what was going to happen in the future because of Judas and Peter knowing what they were going to do. But you could put that down to the Father telling him. That the Son only knows what the father tells him.

 

[ddarko]

I understand the father knows everything. Its the Son that knows everything that i question
because Jesus did show he did not know everything in Matthew 24:36.

This is why i thought it must have been God the Son that visited and talked to mankind in the old testament. And he did not know what was happening at times. I know Jesus demonstrated he knew what was going to happen in the future because of Judas and Peter knowing what they were going to do. But you could put that down to the Father telling him. That the Son only knows what the father tells him.

Oh actually this is a different issue. The resurrected Christ is Omniscient. That is what we say when all members of the Holy Trinity share Omniscience. Keep in mind that God is not three different entities. It’s three persons. There is only one God. Properties of God are shared by all three persons.

But to speak of Christ as omniscient at the age of 5 for an example is a different theological matter.

The following might help in understanding what Christ knew and didn’t know.

This also addresses your issue with respect to Matthew 24:36

newadvent.org/cathen/08675a.htm

God Bless

 

[shaky]

Oh actually this is a different issue. The resurrected Christ is Omniscient. That is what we say when all members of the Holy Trinity share Omniscience. Keep in mind that God is not three different entities. It’s three persons. There is only one God. Properties of God are shared by all three persons.

But to speak of Christ as omniscient at the age of 5 for an example is a different theological matter.

The following might help in understanding what Christ knew and didn’t know.

This also addresses your issue with respect to Matthew 24:36

newadvent.org/cathen/08675a.htm

God Bless

Thanks allot you have been very helpful:thumbsup: God bless you

 

[ddarko]

Thanks allot you have been very helpful:thumbsup: God bless you

No problem Glad if I could help.

God Bless