Freedom of Religion

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Do you believe in freedom of religion?

If not, what should the punishment be for not being Catholic?
 
Please define what you mean by ‘freedom of religion’. Whether or not I agree with it depends on what exactly you mean.

Pax tecum,
Zach
 
This topic is more dependant on particular circumstances than the question allows. However, generally, people should not be punished by the state for not being Catholic since the act of faith must be made freely. However, they can be punished if their religious actions are detrimental to the common good (which is different than a positivist “order”.)

Of course, all people are obligated by God to worship Him in truth, obey His commands, and believe in faith what He has revealed and therefore have the right to the freedom to do so.

Here is a good article on this I posted in another thread (it’s from the late 19th century):

opuscula.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-religious-freedom-part-i.html
 
Neil_Anthony said:
Do you believe in freedom of religion?

If not, what should the punishment be for not being Catholic?
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Yes, here in the US anyone can choose to be part of one or no religion. Catholic is just one of many religions around the country, and it grows even more around the world.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
Yes, here in the US anyone can choose to be part of one or no religion. Catholic is just one of many religions around the country, and it grows even more around the world.
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It’s the same here in Canada.
I was surprised to read on here that some traditionalists are against Vatican II because it promoted ‘freedom of religion’ … i was amazed because I thought everyone believed people should be free to choose their own religion?
 
Neil_Anthony said:
It’s the same here in Canada.
I was surprised to read on here that some traditionalists are against Vatican II because it promoted ‘freedom of religion’ … i was amazed because I thought everyone believed people should be free to choose their own religion?
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I have seen threads in other sub-forms a few months ago that had some posters who actually want a full-blown Catholic Theocracy (the thread title was phrased that way), though they were in the minority in the threads.
 
NewUlm1976_2000 said:
I have seen threads in other sub-forms a few months ago that had some posters who actually want a full-blown Catholic Theocracy (the thread title was phrased that way), though they were in the minority in the threads.
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I wouldnt mind a theocracy, but people still shouldn’t be forced to convert to Catholicism. That’s wrong.
 
On a related note, the following is a formally condemned propostion:

Syllabus of Errors, #15: [It is an error to believe that] “Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true”. papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm

If you click on the link, also read errors #77 through #79. Each of the proposition have been formally condemned by the Church, yet they are held as true by the majority of Catholics today.
 
No one should ever be coerced into professing belief in the Catholic faith. However, no one has the inherent right to false worship, still less the right to spread their errors.

A Catholic theocracy, in my mind, would formulate laws such as to prevent actions gravely contrary to natural law. However, it would not necessitate belief in the Catholic faith, nor impose punishments for lack of belief. Furthermore, if prudent, the Catholic prince ought to suppress the spread of heresy. Critical to the last point is “if prudent”.
 
Miles_Mariae said:
No one should ever be coerced into professing belief in the Catholic faith. However, no one has the inherent right to false worship, still less the right to spread their errors.

A Catholic theocracy, in my mind, would formulate laws such as to prevent actions gravely contrary to natural law. However, it would not necessitate belief in the Catholic faith, nor impose punishments for lack of belief. Furthermore, if prudent, the Catholic prince ought to suppress the spread of heresy. Critical to the last point is “if prudent”.
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So would your Catholic theocracy be sort of like how the muslim nations are? For example, they don’t allow muslims to convert to other religions, and they have restrictions on churches, etc.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
It’s the same here in Canada.
I was surprised to read on here that some traditionalists are against Vatican II because it promoted ‘freedom of religion’ … i was amazed because I thought everyone believed people should be free to choose their own religion?
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Does GOD believe in freedom of religion?
 
Neil_Anthony said:
Presumably, since he gives us freedom to accept or reject Himself.
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The question should be does God “condone” freedom of Religion.

Then the syllogism would be: Does God “condone” sin, heresy or error?

God made the world for the salvation of souls. The best way to accomplish that is in a society in which the Church and the State are both cooperating for that end.

The priests take care of the religious things that help the soul go to heaven and the police enforce laws that are geared towards keeping the society on that moral track.

Tolerance for other religions is far different than religious freedom or “acceptance” of other religions as valid religions.

This will only work in a Catholic society since Catholicism is the only true religion.
 
This might seem a little simplistic, but when it comes right down to it, God Himself gives us freedom of religion, with the consequences of our decision being eternity in Heaven or hell. Who am I to argue? 😃
 
=GerardP;3993979]The question should be does God “condone” freedom of Religion.
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Thanks, GeraldP that was the word I was looking for “condone”
I would be willing to bet that 98% of Catholics would say that Religious Freedom means that one has a God given right to believe in any religion whatsoever.
 
Our_Refuge said:
Not the question. Did God send His Son to establish ONE faith or many faiths?
Did God establish ONE Church or many churches?
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Well, your first question was “Does GOD believe in freedom of religion?” … which is a different question than these. Is it supposed to have the same answer? I don’t see the connection.
 
To restate my former question:

What is 'Freedom of Religion"?

Does it mean that people should be allowed to believe what they like?
Does it mean that people should be allowed to publicly profess what they believe?
Does it mean that they should be allowed to attempt to convince others of what they believe?
Does it mean that they should be allowed to act according to what they believes?

Pax Tecum,
Zach
 
Penitant said:
To restate my former question:

What is 'Freedom of Religion"?

Does it mean that people should be allowed to believe what they like?
Does it mean that people should be allowed to publicly profess what they believe?
Does it mean that they should be allowed to attempt to convince others of what they believe?
Does it mean that they should be allowed to act according to what they believes?

Pax Tecum,
Zach
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It usually means freedom to worship as you wish, and to express your beliefs. But not necessarily to do everything you believe in, if it affects others. But normally just sharing your faith or expressing it would be allowed under freedom of religion.
 
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