Freemasonry A Evil Group

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The reason I am against the Lodge is because they suppressed the Catholic Faith in Mexico to the point that the Catholics or Cristeros rebelled against the Government in 1926 to 1929. They removed the rights of priests and the religious. They still don’t have many rights in Mexico. The anti-clerical articles in the Mexican Constitution of 1917 and the law that were passed after were used to seize all churches, buildings, and meeting places of the Catholic Church and of other religions. Priests couldn’t vote, protest, or form a political party. Secularization was rampant, renaming places that had religious names. It also restricted the number of priests in an area to the point that many states had no official Catholic Church because She couldn’t function with limited clergy. Though I have to say that the Church was blessed by the persercution, for the Chruch gave birth to many Saints and Blessed. Viva Cristo Rey!!!
 
Bradleycr said:
Furthermore, I failed to add…this forum posting is in the wrong catagory…Masonry is NOT A RELIGION it is however, an all white fraternal order that requires a man believe in a nonothesitic God and even though I have renownced the group I can not directly tell you that the “G” in the middle of the fratern symbol stands for “God”.
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Hey Buddy, I am glad to see you renounced it. Albert Pike said it WAS a religion. & I was told in the lecture that G WAS god. I used a small g because , accoding to Pike god could be Lucifer.

If you want this to go private, we can
 
Hello friends. I am in the Greek Islands. Heaven is only better because Jesus is there! Tho our Lord and His Saints are in the lovely Greek orthadox chapels, so…😃

So wonderful here, plenty of Greek Sun!! Just a Seventh-day Adventist Christian enjoying the company of Greek Catholic Orthadox Christians and loving it!!

So. Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.👍
 
workingman said:
Does any one here listen to Relevant Radio. I do and on April 15, 2009 they had a great guest on the Drew Mariani Show. His name I believe is Dr. Mark Miravalle. They mentioned severeal of the dark deeds. This conserns me because I have family in freemasonry. This is a devilish cult. They have one degree where they stomp or break the papal tiara. I will atach a link to it. It is in the first hour of the show and around 20min into it. I have also read that they are trying to infeltrate the Church. I will see if I can find the source for that at some point.

Here is the link for the show.

relevantradio.com/Page.aspx?pid=1230&cid=18&ceid=2864&cerid=0&cdt=4%2f15%2f2009

I was just looking to pass info and get others feed back and or expieriences.
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People often overlook the fact that there’s a significant difference between the various branches of freemasonry. The Anglo-Saxon branch (the one prevalent in the Anglophone world) is definately not good news.

The Scandinavian branch, however, is decidedly Christian. To become a member, one MUST be Christian - and this branch is by no means an opponent to Christianity; on the contrary.
 
any meber of the church who joins the free masons (or any group opposed to the mission of the church) is excommunicated. if the membership is secret the are excommunicated on a spiritual level by god (i.e. grace will not come to them becuse of there activities with said group pushes the grace away from them).
 
jpk1313 said:
any meber of the church who joins the free masons (or any group opposed to the mission of the church) is excommunicated. if the membership is secret the are excommunicated on a spiritual level by god (i.e. grace will not come to them becuse of there activities with said group pushes the grace away from them).
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amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/431/Angels_and_Demons_The_Vatican_Agenda/

Hi guys. Here is an interest Video on Secret Societies, Angels and Demons being made FOR AND ON BEHALF OF the Vatican…ok from an Adventist perspective so immediately suspect yeah…well ok I accept that…and apologise in advance for content offensive to Catholics…but it is interesting and should make for good discussion purposes…

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.😛
 
amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/324/253-100K/

Here is another on Secret Societies…when the Papacy got the ‘deadly wound’ in 1798 when General Berthier came into the Vatican and took the Pope prisoner and the power of the Vatican was ‘lost’ until the early 1900’s yeah…all you experts on Roman history???..well the power was lost?..maybe not…woooooo secret societies carried on on behalf of his holiness…in particular the Masons…what? shock? horror? Well? no better way to hide and also to disclaim all responsibility by ‘excomunicating’ your own men…yeah?..Jesuits have earned my respect big time…very clever men…can do anything to advance the cause of the Papacy…ANYTHING…

So should provoke some good discussion and debate huh…

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.😃
 
Dirk_Skene said:
I do not think this has been addressed enough. I know a few Catholics tha are Masons. They see nothing wrong with it & ignore the fact that the Church teaches that they should not join. Comments from them say that the Church does not know what it is talking about. I used to be one. There are all kinds of good reasons why the Church is against membership. I’m still trying to get my dad to quit.

One fellow I know is a mason & a K.C. It’s insane. He sees no conflict.
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thats just wrong
 
JMJ_coder said:
Freemasonry is indeed evil and filled with the spirit of Satan. It is the very “synagogue of Satan”. (Esti Multa, 28)

The judgment of the Church has been unanimous from the very foundations of masonry – it is completely irreconcilable with the teachings of the Catholic Church, and an enemy of the same.
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When EXACTLY was this “foundation” because my Free Masonrie pre-dates the Catholic Church by some long way?
 
jpk1313 said:
any meber of the church who joins the free masons (or any group opposed to the mission of the church) is excommunicated. if the membership is secret the are excommunicated on a spiritual level by god (i.e. grace will not come to them becuse of there activities with said group pushes the grace away from them).
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Not true. Anyone who joins the Moderns form of freemasory is automatically ex-communicate. Please check your facts before you post such nonsense.
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

If the Popes had not been so keen to condemn the Masons, the supposed anti-Catholicism of the Masons might not exist. People & institutions are often the causes of their own problems, & a little more mildness, less zeal to hurl anathemas, with a bit less paranoia (as in the Leo Taxil affair, for instance) might have avoided a lot of the friction. It still can.​

There is definitely a moral there for Catholics. Besides, how is anti-Masonic zeal any different from the anti-Jewish kind ? There was a lot of both of them in France in the 1890s, & both were encouraged by the Church. It took the ovens of Belsen to teach the Church not to demonise Jews - what will it take to teach the Church not to engage in anti-Masonic hysteria 😦 ?

If the Church can cease to anathematise Protestants, it should be able to perform the same motions towards Freemasons. It took over 400 years to decide that Protestants were “separated brethren” & not heretics - maybe, in 2150 or so, it will outgrow its anti-Masonry.
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Highly unlikely it will outgrow its contempt of the freemasons, nor should it. The freemasons use symbols and ceremonies that have pagan, occult, and eastern religious influence. It lures the unsuspecting in using the name of God and Christ. Once you reach the high levels and more is revealed to you, Christ and God fade out of the picture. If you are not Christian, then it may not be an issue. If you are a Christian, then the freemasons and the shriners are not a place for you, period! Do some research and the truth of this group will be revealed.

Take Care and May God Bles!

Ed
 
Which Freemasons are you talking about Ronin?

Grand Masters of The Grand Lodge of Free Masons at York:

St Dunstan, Archbishop of Canterbury;
St Edward the Confessor;
Gundulf, Archbishop of Canterbury;
Peter de Colchurch, Norman Priest Architect;
Peter de Rupibus, Bishop of Westminster;
Walter Gifford, Archbishop of York
Walter Stapleton, Bishop of Exeter;
William Wykeham, Bishop of Winchester;
Simon de Langham, Archbishop of Canterbury;
Henry Chicheley, Archbishop of Canterbury;
William Waynflete, Bishop of Winchester;
Richard de Beauchamp, Bishop of Hereford;
Cardinal Pierre D’Aubusson, “The Shield of the Church”;
John Islip, Abbot of Westminster;
Cardinal Thomas Wolsey.

You must not confuse what happened in 1717 with religious Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie. Please take some time (a few days) to read and digest our website so that you can respond from a basis of some knowledge of the subject rather than simply regurgitating what you have read elsewhere.
Exodus 20:16 “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.”
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Will you dare to take the blinkers off?
 
Dirk_Skene said:
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One fellow I know is a mason & a K.C. It’s insane. He sees no conflict.
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Some people just do not think very deeply (are naive) on such things, and need (name removed by moderator)ut from a friend who can tactfully explain their lack of common logic on the matter, and some are just plain selfish in their actions and care less about such blatant conflicts in ideology.😃
 
If you believe the freemasons are evil then we we have to assume that non-masons must look for a window to jump out of due to the fact that:

The following confirmed SIGNERS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE that were known Masons were Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Joseph Hewes, William Hooper, Robert Treat Payne, Richard Stockton, George Walton, and William Whipple.

Evidence of Membership And/or Affiliations (7): Elbridge Berry, Lyman Hall, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Nelson Jr., John Penn, George Read and Roger Sherman.

Summary: 15 of 56 Signers were Freemasons or probable Freemasons.

This represents only 27% of the total signers. But this 27% included the principle movers of the Revolution, most notably Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, the primary architects and authors of the Declaration. The former was a Freemason, the latter a deist and possible Freemason. If one were to analyze the Declaration, we would see the masonic influences and symbols that exist today especially in Washing D.C… If this group is evil for the purpose of evil, then all Americans are the spawn from that evil? Just saying you can’t have it both ways. Everyday you say the Pledge of Alligance, you pledge to evil? Food for thought:shrug:.
 
joe_clark said:
If you believe the freemasons are evil then we we have to assume that non-masons must look for a window to jump out of due to the fact that:

The following confirmed SIGNERS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE that were known Masons were Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Joseph Hewes, William Hooper, Robert Treat Payne, Richard Stockton, George Walton, and William Whipple.

Evidence of Membership And/or Affiliations (7): Elbridge Berry, Lyman Hall, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Nelson Jr., John Penn, George Read and Roger Sherman.

Summary: 15 of 56 Signers were Freemasons or probable Freemasons.

This represents only 27% of the total signers. But this 27% included the principle movers of the Revolution, most notably Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, the primary architects and authors of the Declaration. The former was a Freemason, the latter a deist and possible Freemason. If one were to analyze the Declaration, we would see the masonic influences and symbols that exist today especially in Washing D.C… If this group is evil for the purpose of evil, then all Americans are the spawn from that evil? Just saying you can’t have it both ways. Everyday you say the Pledge of Alligance, you pledge to evil? Food for thought:shrug:.
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The guilt trips of all guilt trips. No true all American would suggest that a signatory to the Declaration of Independence is anything other than perfect. Here in England we still regard them as tax dodgers and welshers. Food for thought? 🙂
 
joe_clark said:
If you believe the freemasons are evil then we we have to assume that non-masons must look for a window to jump out of due to the fact that:

The following confirmed SIGNERS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE that were known Masons were Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Joseph Hewes, William Hooper, Robert Treat Payne, Richard Stockton, George Walton, and William Whipple.

Evidence of Membership And/or Affiliations (7): Elbridge Berry, Lyman Hall, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Nelson Jr., John Penn, George Read and Roger Sherman.

Summary: 15 of 56 Signers were Freemasons or probable Freemasons.

This represents only 27% of the total signers. But this 27% included the principle movers of the Revolution, most notably Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, the primary architects and authors of the Declaration. The former was a Freemason, the latter a deist and possible Freemason. If one were to analyze the Declaration, we would see the masonic influences and symbols that exist today especially in Washing D.C… If this group is evil for the purpose of evil, then all Americans are the spawn from that evil? Just saying you can’t have it both ways. Everyday you say the Pledge of Alligance, you pledge to evil? Food for thought:shrug:.
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Actually, that is not a logical conclusion. A person can be a part of a group that has bad motives, and even influenced by them, and not be evil themselves. Not all Soviet Communists were evil. We cannot even say that all Nazis were evil.
 
ralphinal said:
Actually, that is not a logical conclusion. A person can be a part of a group that has bad motives, and even influenced by them, and not be evil themselves. Not all Soviet Communists were evil. We cannot even say that all Nazis were evil.
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Ralph,

It all depends on your subjectivity on the matter; nothing more, nothing else.
 
PeterClatworthy said:
The guilt trips of all guilt trips. No true all American would suggest that a signatory to the Declaration of Independence is anything other than perfect. Here in England we still regard them as tax dodgers and welshers. Food for thought? 🙂
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it seems that all revolutions in history put some ideal (supposed ideal) before LIFE…

i sometimes wonder if we should not have just aciesced to the Brittish… could have saved so many lives… but then, i am not sure i hold this position… the Brittish WERE geting greedy and… no representation and all that… so my"jury" is out still…

but i am tired of all the wars… .the bloodshed… over some supposed worthy cause… wondering if we should have also let the South secede . (spelling??) in the civil war… (?)

just wondering…

Viet Nam… We should have dropped the bomb on those Commies…
 
ralphinal said:
Actually, that is not a logical conclusion. A person can be a part of a group that has bad motives, and even influenced by them, and not be evil themselves. Not all Soviet Communists were evil. We cannot even say that all Nazis were evil.
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Exactly the point that I am making.
 
LOL! Two things: (A) You have been brainwashed by this group that I was once a major player in. (B) You sound more like like a radical muslim than a peace loving Masonic Catholic. It is not so much that the Freemasons are evil but it is an a established fact that the Magisterial of the Church has decreed that membership in such organizations and those likely them is prohibited. If I had to give up my membership and could learn to live a good life as a Christian entrusted with the fullness of truth you can too or not. Get over it!
 
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