Freemasonry A Evil Group

[John_of_Woking]

lol! i would have gotten it wrong! nice job. are you familiar with the 33rd degree in masonry, and what would be the likelyhood that someone would quit after having had it bestowed on them. its my understanding its very difficult to get, and that there are not to many of them. is this correct? whoops sorry jon. i ment to post this to rickypaul. my bad peace

I Don’t know much about freemasonry apart from what this ex-mason showed me. He was very thorough. It was a two hour lecture and it was pretty incriminating and in line with what I have read about freemasonry from the likes of WIlliam Whalen e.t.c. I suppose there is a possibility I have been hoodwinked but I don’t think so…I was and am utterly convinced by him.

The fact that he found Christ and left the lodge is a cause for joy but I really am no expert . I have never set foot in a lodge so I am going by what I have read and seen only.

I trust Holy Mother Church when she warns me against freemasonry. That is enough for me to go on.

 

[benidict]

I Don’t know much about freemasonry apart from what this ex-mason showed me. He was very thorough. It was a two hour lecture and it was pretty incriminating and in line with what I have read about freemasonry from the likes of WIlliam Whalen e.t.c. I suppose there is a possibility I have been hoodwinked but I don’t think so…I was and am utterly convinced by him.

The fact that he found Christ and left the lodge is a cause for joy but I really am no expert . I have never set foot in a lodge so I am going by what I have read and seen only.

I trust Holy Mother Church when she warns me against freemasonry. That is enough for me to go on.

i am in 100% in agreement with you on not joining. although i respect them, i feel it would be like mixing oil and water by trying to combine masonry with Catholocism. and i will always follow Holy Mother Church over my own opinon any day. wise council brother. peace

 

[workingman]

I Don’t know much about freemasonry apart from what this ex-mason showed me. He was very thorough. It was a two hour lecture and it was pretty incriminating and in line with what I have read about freemasonry from the likes of WIlliam Whalen e.t.c. I suppose there is a possibility I have been hoodwinked but I don’t think so…I was and am utterly convinced by him.

The fact that he found Christ and left the lodge is a cause for joy but I really am no expert . I have never set foot in a lodge so I am going by what I have read and seen only.

I trust Holy Mother Church when she warns me against freemasonry. That is enough for me to go on.

I have been in the lodge as a former mason. Though probably not at the same level as this fella. I spent most of my time in “blue” lodge. When I converted to the CC I left.

Great advice/counsel in the last part of the quote.

 

[John_of_Woking]

i am in 100% in agreement with you on not joining. although i respect them, i feel it would be like mixing oil and water by trying to combine masonry with Catholocism. and i will always follow Holy Mother Church over my own opinon any day. wise council brother. peace

Peace and prayers

 

[John_of_Woking]

I have been in the lodge as a former mason. Though probably not at the same level as this fella. I spent most of my time in “blue” lodge. When I converted to the CC I left.

Great advice/counsel in the last part of the quote.

I am a convert too…by some totally undeserved grace

 

[gamewell45]

I Don’t know much about freemasonry apart from what this ex-mason showed me. He was very thorough. It was a two hour lecture and it was pretty incriminating and in line with what I have read about freemasonry from the likes of WIlliam Whalen e.t.c. I suppose there is a possibility I have been hoodwinked but I don’t think so…I was and am utterly convinced by him.

The fact that he found Christ and left the lodge is a cause for joy but I really am no expert . I have never set foot in a lodge so I am going by what I have read and seen only.

I trust Holy Mother Church when she warns me against freemasonry. That is enough for me to go on.

How do you know he was an ex-mason?

The reason I ask that is anyone can pick up a book of Duncan’s Ritual and claim that they are a Mason (even though Duncan’s Ritual is way outdated).

 

[John_of_Woking]

How do you know he was an ex-mason?

The reason I ask that is anyone can pick up a book of Duncan’s Ritual and claim that they are a Mason (even though Duncan’s Ritual is way outdated).

I beleive he was a mason simply because he told me. He was utterly convinving. He was dumped from his prestigious job soon after defecting. The man gained absolutely nothing by speaking out and had a lot to lose by speaking out and indeed lost a lot. Now as I said I take a lot on trust and I could be wrong…but even if it was all a hoax (which I doubt) I am guided by the prohibitions of Holy Mother Church who speaks in no uncertain terms against Freemasonry.
Peace of Christ, JG

 

[gamewell45]

I beleive he was a mason simply because he told me. He was utterly convinving. He was dumped from his prestigious job soon after defecting. The man gained absolutely nothing by speaking out and had a lot to lose by speaking out and indeed lost a lot. Now as I said I take a lot on trust and I could be wrong…but even if it was all a hoax (which I doubt) I am guided by the prohibitions of Holy Mother Church who speaks in no uncertain terms against Freemasonry.
Peace of Christ, JG

John, I think you’ve been had.

When men take their obligations, they give their word of honor not to disclose certain things that they’ve been told. I’m not talking about leaving lodge due to religious reasons; that’s completely understandable; I’m talking about those who disclose what they gave their word of honor to protect and violated it after demitting lodge or while still a member.

A person’s word of honor is one of the most valuable virtues a person can have. If that person breaks his word and as such violates his honor, then he can never be trusted in society and should be looked upon with contempt.

 

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I describe an organization below. Can you identify what organization it is?

It is an all male organization.
It is an organization that welcomes all faiths.
It is an organization that claims to build the moral character of its members.
At their meetings, all members, regardless of their faith affiliation, pray to God.
They take oaths invoking the name of God.

Any guesses?

its not the Catholic Church cuz the Church invites and welcomes EVERYONE!!! even us lowly females of little worth…

and theCatholic Church doesn’t discriminate against Blacks… had a Black pope back in the early centuries…4th century?? or something… & there was another one also…

and the Masons have a totally different view of God than the Church does…

so if the answer is the Masons and it probably is… big deal… “Even the demons believe and tremble.” (St James 2:12)

something like 98% of americans believe inGod… yet we have abortion on demand… fornication rampant… high rate of rape… and other crimes… one of the highest murder (of adults) rate in the world…

so… again… big deal… :yawn: they invoke “God”

what god… the god of this world?

 

[benidict]

John, I think you’ve been had.

When men take their obligations, they give their word of honor not to disclose certain things that they’ve been told. I’m not talking about leaving lodge due to religious reasons; that’s completely understandable; I’m talking about those who disclose what they gave their word of honor to protect and violated it after demitting lodge or while still a member.

A person’s word of honor is one of the most valuable virtues a person can have. If that person breaks his word and as such violates his honor, then he can never be trusted in society and should be looked upon with contempt.

my dad was a member of a frat house in college. he wont even discuss their initiation ceramony. and that is not near as serious an organiztion as the masons. also the work someone would have to do to get this degree, really makes me wonder if they would just drop out and divlulge the secrets. it really makes no sense to me. i personally would not trust a person with anything personal from my life. if anything, this would make them less trustworthy. Peace

 

[gamewell45]

my dad was a member of a frat house in college. he wont even discuss their initiation ceramony. and that is not near as serious an organiztion as the masons. also the work someone would have to do to get this degree, really makes me wonder if they would just drop out and divlulge the secrets. it really makes no sense to me. i personally would not trust a person with anything personal from my life. if anything, this would make them less trustworthy. Peace

I concur. For me personallly, anyone that I know who violated their word of honor, whether it involved the Masons or anything else, I would not be able to trust them ever.

 

[rickypaul]

its not the Catholic Church cuz the Church invites and welcomes EVERYONE!!! even us lowly females of little worth…

and theCatholic Church doesn’t discriminate against Blacks… had a Black pope back in the early centuries…4th century?? or something… & there was another one also…

and the Masons have a totally different view of God than the Church does…

so if the answer is the Masons and it probably is… big deal… “Even the demons believe and tremble.” (St James 2:12)

something like 98% of americans believe inGod… yet we have abortion on demand… fornication rampant… high rate of rape… and other crimes… one of the highest murder (of adults) rate in the world…

so… again… big deal… :yawn: they invoke “God”

what god… the god of this world?

The description of the Fraternal Organization above applies to Freemasonry, but it also applies to the Boy Scouts of America. The church hasn’t banned them.

First of all, comparing freemasonry with the Catholic Church is like comparing an aardvark with a head of cabbage. They are different things. Freemasonry is NOT a religion. The best comparision within the Catholic Church, the most appropriate comparison can be made to the Knights of Columbus. I’ll address your points one by one.

Freemasonry is a male fraternity as is the Knights of Columbus. Neither generally admit women. there are some Masonic Lodges that admit woment, but not in Pennsylvania. There are also affiliated organizations that are for women.

I dont’ know where you got your information but all races and all faiths are welcome in Freemasonry. Back in the days of Jim Crow and Slavery, a separate organization called the Prince Hall Freemasons was founded for African Americans but over the last 60 years or so, Blue Lodge Masonry has admitted blacks. Prince Hall Masonry, however, has continued to thrive. Prince Hall masons and Blue Lodge Masons have visitations together and are welcome in each other’s lodges.

The reason I mentioned the oaths to God is that it is one of the Church’s objections to Freemasonry, not to put it on a pedestal.

In terms of the societal problems such as abortion, there is no official postion on abortion within masonry because it allows men of all faiths to unite in brotherhood. Religion is a forbidden topic within the lodge as well. And yes, there are probably some pro-abortion masons, as there are also some in the Catholic Church.

Also since we are quoting scripture, Freemasons are one of the most charitable organizations in the world. Most famously they treat sick children in their hospitals free of charge.

Matthew 7:16: "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?

God Bless.

 

[distracted]

The description of the Fraternal Organization above applies to Freemasonry, but it also applies to the Boy Scouts of America. The church hasn’t banned them.

First of all, comparing freemasonry with the Catholic Church is like comparing an aardvark with a head of cabbage. They are different things. Freemasonry is NOT a religion. The best comparision within the Catholic Church, the most appropriate comparison can be made to the Knights of Columbus. I’ll address your points one by one.

Freemasonry is a male fraternity as is the Knights of Columbus. Neither generally admit women. there are some Masonic Lodges that admit woment, but not in Pennsylvania. There are also affiliated organizations that are for women.

I dont’ know where you got your information but all races and all faiths are welcome in Freemasonry. Back in the days of Jim Crow and Slavery, a separate organization called the Prince Hall Freemasons was founded for African Americans but over the last 60 years or so, Blue Lodge Masonry has admitted blacks. Prince Hall Masonry, however, has continued to thrive. Prince Hall masons and Blue Lodge Masons have visitations together and are welcome in each other’s lodges.

The reason I mentioned the oaths to God is that it is one of the Church’s objections to Freemasonry, not to put it on a pedestal.

In terms of the societal problems such as abortion, there is no official postion on abortion within masonry because it allows men of all faiths to unite in brotherhood. Religion is a forbidden topic within the lodge as well. And yes, there are probably some pro-abortion masons, as there are also some in the Catholic Church.

Also since we are quoting scripture, Freemasons are one of the most charitable organizations in the world. Most famously they treat sick children in their hospitals free of charge.

Matthew 7:16: "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?

God Bless.

all of this is irrelevant

***because the Roman Catholic Church ex-communicates those who become Masons… ***

end of problem

 

[rickypaul]

all of this is irrelevant

***because the Roman Catholic Church ex-communicates those who become Masons… ***

end of problem

You are mistaken about that:

The latest Canon Law states:

Can. 1374 A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; however, a person who promotes or directs an association of this kind is to be punished with an interdict.

Source: vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P53.HTM

 

[distracted]

You are mistaken about that:

The latest Canon Law states:

Can. 1374 A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; however, a person who promotes or directs an association of this kind is to be punished with an interdict.

Source: vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P53.HTM

i am not mistaken…

an interdict hasto do with a priest or bishop not being able to practice his duties…

joining the masons is punishable by ex communiction…

 

[distracted]

Clement XII, In Eminenti, 28 April 1738

This constitution was the first public written attack by the papacy against Masonry. In In Eminenti the principal objections to Freemasonry given were: that it was open to men of all religions; that there were oaths taken; that Masons denied clerical authority, and that Masons met in secret.4 Pope Clement forbade Masonic membership by Catholics and directed the “Inquisitors of Heretical Depravity” to take action against Catholics who became Masons or assisted Freemasonry in any way. He ordered excommunication as punishment for those who defied his ban

.io.com/~janebm/churchlaw.html

 

[joe_clark]

all of this is irrelevant

***because the Roman Catholic Church ex-communicates those who become Masons… ***

end of problem

The problem for me and many others is: At one time, The Catholic Church and the Free Masons were free to co-exsist. Then one day, the Pope’s light bulb goes on and Walla The Free Masons are now officially logged in as evil. I find this behavior self serving, just like it was God’s law and it was forbidden and a sin to eat meat on Friday’s and then that law was removed. I am not condoning or endorsing Free Masons, but I need as an educated person more good reason to label and injure any person or group of people that have done no harm to me.

To me it has the same meaning and is no different then the church someday telling us that people of color are now deemed evil and you shall be excommunicated if found consorting with this entity.

 

[distracted]

The problem for me and many others is: At one time, The Catholic Church and the Free Masons were free to co-exsist. Then one day, the Pope’s light bulb goes on and Walla The Free Masons are now officially logged in as evil. I find this behavior self serving, just like it was God’s law and it was forbidden and a sin to eat meat on Friday’s and then that law was removed. I am not condoning or endorsing Free Masons, but I need as an educated person more good reason to label and injure any person or group of people that have done no harm to me.

To me it has the same meaning and is no different then the church someday telling us that people of color are now deemed evil and you shall be excommunicated if found consorting with this entity.

what the heck are you talking about?? who is “harming” anyone???

and i have no idea why you call yourself Catholic if you think that the Church cannot be trusted to teach truth… and if you call the Church “self-serving”

no freaking comprendo…

 

[joe_clark]

what the heck are you talking about?? who is “harming” anyone???

and i have no idea why you call yourself Catholic if you think that the Church cannot be trusted to teach truth… and if you call the Church “self-serving”

no freaking comprendo…

Wow ballistic in seconds, but your right, I have no idea why I call myself Catholic. I guess I’ll have to think about who I am and what I am doing here asking questions. Maybe I’ll get back to you…or maybe not?

 

[distracted]

***it’s just a thought… excuse me for thinking… i sometimes do that… not often, but sometimes…

but th thought occurs to me that if a person was madly in love with Jesus and really knew his Church… and the Real Presnce especially…

uh… why the heck would he need some man-made organization?? ***