Freemasonry A Evil Group

[human_being]

That is highly unusual for a loge to ask someone to join. That is not the policy. One is sposed to have to ask one to be one. It is quit tipical for a masonic loge to hold breakfasts/brunches ect… this is to not directly recruite new members but to get them into the public eye. Does this help to bring in new members yes. The masonic temples are again growing.

p.s. what is rajah for give my ignorance.

Rajah’s are Shriners I think.They have A Rajah Shriners circus around here. I think they are out of Reading, PA. They also have a huge building in Reading. They where a hat like Morrocco Mole on the cartoon Secret Squirrel with a tassle on top. The Scottish Rite have a Huge building in Allentown Pa.
The breakfasts I referred to is held in a much smaller lodge.My father was asked by a long time friend that my parents have known. They have always gone on busses and vacations to Atlantic city, and Las Vegas and such.Not affiliated with masons though. My next door neighbor as I grew up was in “the lodge” but my dad always thought it was “wierd”.He’s retired now and looking for things to do. He works as a part timer but only as many hours as he feels like.
Glen Beck has spoken of starting secret groups to combat the current politicians,and has spoken highly of freemasons and their system of meeting secretly. And he has spoken highly of the knights templar. I raise my ears to this.Did they go on to become the scottish rite?
I have a book and pamphlet or 2 on an encyclical telling of a vendetta on the Catholic church by the masons. And the forbidding of catholics to join.But I don’t remember much about what was in it. It’s been a few years since I read it.

 

[human_being]

I don’t know if this is appropriate, but admit that it is my own opinion, not backed by a legitamate website, so you can take it or leave it (but if you know of a “legitamate site” it may be helpful). I was wondering if Ron Paul is a freemason. I read that his close family members are; his wife, and possibly his children, and his father. Could it be possible that the stronger presence of the masons and rajah’s,that I have personally noticed, an attempt to have another of their own elected? I will attempt to post the link but it probably may not be legitamate,possibly just gossip.

 

[DallasTexas]

I don’t know if this is appropriate, but admit that it is my own opinion, not backed by a legitamate website, so you can take it or leave it (but if you know of a “legitamate site” it may be helpful). I was wondering if Ron Paul is a freemason. I read that his close family members are; his wife, and possibly his children, and his father. Could it be possible that the stronger presence of the masons and rajah’s,that I have personally noticed, an attempt to have another of their own elected? I will attempt to post the link but it probably may not be legitamate,possibly just gossip.

human being,

Thank you for your post.

I’ve heard that about Ron Paul as well–I didn’t vote for him though.

One of the symbols of Freemasonry is a cable-tow. You are suppose to help others as much as you cable-tow (spelling?) allows for. In other words, you are suppose to help others as much as you can without affecting your own self, family, well-being etc.

I like Ron Paul but would not vote for him. It would be outside the reach of my cable-tow.

Thank you again.

 

[human_being]

I don’t know if this is appropriate, but admit that it is my own opinion, not backed by a legitamate website, so you can take it or leave it (but if you know of a “legitamate site” it may be helpful). I was wondering if Ron Paul is a freemason. I read that his close family members are; his wife, and possibly his children, and his father. Could it be possible that the stronger presence of the masons and rajah’s,that I have personally noticed, an attempt to have another of their own elected? I will attempt to post the link but it probably may not be legitamate,possibly just gossip.

I just googled Ron Paul and freemasonry and there are tons of sites but I don’t know if any of them are considered legitimate. There are definitely alot of things under that google but I don’t know that it is to be considered true. I am not a lawyer.

 

[DallasTexas]

Hope not budding in but Freemasonry evolving from the Knights Templar is a pure and simple lie. Piers Paul Read and Malcom Barber, two real academics and not sheisters off to sell a fantasy book, are absolutely amazed at how in the last couple of years this has taken off. I just posted a link to one of these books in the thread above. I think you will, just as I did learn who the Templars really were. They were not the forebears of Freemasonry. The Freemasons invented this lineage by themselves in the 18th century. Hope this helps.
amazon.com/Templars-Dramatic-Powerful-Military-Crusades/dp/0306810719

May God Bless you.

Thank you KyivAndrew,

I appreciate your post. John J. Robinson’s book isn’t really the outlandish type like “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” (which I have not read). It is not a De Vinci Code type of book. He never states that he is 100% certain that Freemasonry descended from the Templar Knights, but he does point out that if this is the case it would answer a lot of otherwise unanswerable questions.

The main targets of the Peasant Revolt in 14th century England seemed to be the upper hierarchy of the Church and the Knights Hospitalliers (sp?).

The oaths. Are these oaths taken to keep ancient secrets about geometry? The stone builders of the day did not need such oaths. Why do they mention not touching another mason’s wife, daughter, etc. unless shelter is being offered? Why would shelter be offered unless one is being pursued?

At the end of the day, there are many different theories to how Freemasonry began, and I strongly believe that no one knows for certain. I really doubt that Pier Paul Read or Malcolm Barber have any hard evidence that would prove or disprove the Freemasons evolving from the Knights Templar.

If I am wrong in stating the above, please tell me where and why.

Thank you again.

 

[Roy5]

WHY DEMONIZE THE MASONS?

This effort to demonize the Masons is silly. They are a highly respectable group who do excellent and self-sacrificing work through their hospitals, homes, etc. That they may have had some defects back in history somewhere likely is true, but nothing compared to the Inquisition instituted by the Catholic Church or some of the misdeeds of various Protestants in the distant past. 

  Frankly, I like the fact that the Masons receive members from all faiths that believe in God, such as Jews and Muslims as well as Christians. That's a big plus in my mind.

  Re posting 107: yes, there was some sort of Methodist report in England critical of the Masons, and it made some strong points. But calling them an "evil group' is beyond the pale. It simply promotes irrational bigotry. The Masons I know are upstanding citizens in our communities. To demonize them is comparable to demonizing Catholics. 

  I am not a Mason and have never been interested in becoming a Mason. But I resent efforts to run them down when they do such outstanding work on behalf of others in need. Shame on those who keep attacking them. Live and let live. The fact that the Masons are so willing to work with the KofC, at least in this area, indicates that if they once had an anti-Catholic bias or whatever is in the past is no longer true. I have attended funerals at which the Masonic liturgy is used and find no serious objection to it, even though I wouldn't choose to have it at my own funeral. Lighten up you of with narrow minds!

  God bless the whole world - no exceptions.

 

[jam070406]

WHY DEMONIZE THE MASONS?

This effort to demonize the Masons is silly. They are a highly respectable group who do excellent and self-sacrificing work through their hospitals, homes, etc. That they may have had some defects back in history somewhere likely is true, but nothing compared to the Inquisition instituted by the Catholic Church or some of the misdeeds of various Protestants in the distant past. 

  Frankly, I like the fact that the Masons receive members from all faiths that believe in God, such as Jews and Muslims as well as Christians. That's a big plus in my mind.

  Re posting 107: yes, there was some sort of Methodist report in England critical of the Masons, and it made some strong points. But calling them an "evil group' is beyond the pale. It simply promotes irrational bigotry. The Masons I know are upstanding citizens in our communities. To demonize them is comparable to demonizing Catholics. 

  I am not a Mason and have never been interested in becoming a Mason. But I resent efforts to run them down when they do such outstanding work on behalf of others in need. Shame on those who keep attacking them. Live and let live. The fact that the Masons are so willing to work with the KofC, at least in this area, indicates that if they once had an anti-Catholic bias or whatever is in the past is no longer true. I have attended funerals at which the Masonic liturgy is used and find no serious objection to it, even though I wouldn't choose to have it at my own funeral. Lighten up you of with narrow minds!

  God bless the whole world - no exceptions.

Nobody is demonizing Masons. People are pointing out that Freemasonry is a religion incompatible with Christianity, to be avoided. Popes have specified why. Read some of the links Dirk Skene provided.

 

[KyivAndrew]

Thank you KyivAndrew,

I appreciate your post. John J. Robinson’s book isn’t really the outlandish type like “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” (which I have not read). It is not a De Vinci Code type of book. He never states that he is 100% certain that Freemasonry descended from the Templar Knights, but he does point out that if this is the case it would answer a lot of otherwise unanswerable questions.

The main targets of the Peasant Revolt in 14th century England seemed to be the upper hierarchy of the Church and the Knights Hospitalliers (sp?).

The oaths. Are these oaths taken to keep ancient secrets about geometry? The stone builders of the day did not need such oaths. Why do they mention not touching another mason’s wife, daughter, etc. unless shelter is being offered? Why would shelter be offered unless one is being pursued?

At the end of the day, there are many different theories to how Freemasonry began, and I strongly believe that no one knows for certain. I really doubt that Pier Paul Read or Malcolm Barber have any hard evidence that would prove or disprove the Freemasons evolving from the Knights Templar.

If I am wrong in stating the above, please tell me where and why.

Thank you again.

Thanks DallasTexas. All I can say is if you get a chance to read Piers Paul Read, give him a look.

On the Knights Templar, all I can point out further was that they were brought to a close in the 14th Century NOT because they had any secrets or were anti-Catholic, but simply because the French King at the time wanted their assets. In history, sometimes the prosaic is the real answer and you don’t have to go looking for conspiracies.

God Bless You!

 

[human_being]

WHY DEMONIZE THE MASONS?

This effort to demonize the Masons is silly. They are a highly respectable group who do excellent and self-sacrificing work through their hospitals, homes, etc. That they may have had some defects back in history somewhere likely is true, but nothing compared to the Inquisition instituted by the Catholic Church or some of the misdeeds of various Protestants in the distant past. 

  Frankly, I like the fact that the Masons receive members from all faiths that believe in God, such as Jews and Muslims as well as Christians. That's a big plus in my mind.

  Re posting 107: yes, there was some sort of Methodist report in England critical of the Masons, and it made some strong points. But calling them an "evil group' is beyond the pale. It simply promotes irrational bigotry. The Masons I know are upstanding citizens in our communities. To demonize them is comparable to demonizing Catholics. 

  I am not a Mason and have never been interested in becoming a Mason. But I resent efforts to run them down when they do such outstanding work on behalf of others in need. Shame on those who keep attacking them. Live and let live. The fact that the Masons are so willing to work with the KofC, at least in this area, indicates that if they once had an anti-Catholic bias or whatever is in the past is no longer true. I have attended funerals at which the Masonic liturgy is used and find no serious objection to it, even though I wouldn't choose to have it at my own funeral. Lighten up you of with narrow minds!

  God bless the whole world - no exceptions.

We as catholics have an encyclical written for us forbidding us to join the masons.An encyclical is an utmost serious business to us. Just as encyclicals regarding contraception,and abortion, and divorce and such. It is serious business to us. And until I see that opinion revoked by a pope in an “official” address, I can see it no other way. I am not declaring some kind of war on freemasonry,but I believe that if a pope found it so important to write an encyclical on it,it must be important to the Church’s welfare. Just as people think that contraception is a “good” thing the church doesn’t see it as good. And just as the church doesn’t see freemasonry as a desirable thing to join as a catholic but other people do see it as good. There is usually(and probably always) a very strong Christian reason that a Holy Father writes an encyclical and one was written about freemasonry by Pope Leo (Sorry I don’t know the roman numeral attributed to his name). And alot of protestant denominations do not want their congregations to be mason’s either. Sometimes what seems good and right is not good and right.“Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing”. Some people think that contraception is a gaurd against the spread of aids but it is against church teaching and it is finally being found that the use of contraception has only increased sexual activity and caused the epidemic to increase rather than decrease. What I am saying is that when a pope writes an encyclical it is best to believe it rather than not. I will try and find the encyclical and post it.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_08121892_inimica-vis_en.html This is from the vatican. The wording from Pope Leo XIII are very strong. It is not to be taken lightly at all. It was written in 1892 which was not that long ago.Please read it protestant or not. It starts by saying they are inspired by the evil spirit(demonizing?) and are at war with anything sacred.Pretty eye opening stuff on such a 'good" group of guys(and women).

 

[KyivAndrew]

WHY DEMONIZE THE MASONS?

This effort to demonize the Masons is silly. They are a highly respectable group who do excellent and self-sacrificing work through their hospitals, homes, etc. That they may have had some defects back in history somewhere likely is true, but nothing compared to the Inquisition instituted by the Catholic Church or some of the misdeeds of various Protestants in the distant past. 

  Frankly, I like the fact that the Masons receive members from all faiths that believe in God, such as Jews and Muslims as well as Christians. That's a big plus in my mind.

  Re posting 107: yes, there was some sort of Methodist report in England critical of the Masons, and it made some strong points. But calling them an "evil group' is beyond the pale. It simply promotes irrational bigotry. The Masons I know are upstanding citizens in our communities. To demonize them is comparable to demonizing Catholics. 

  I am not a Mason and have never been interested in becoming a Mason. But I resent efforts to run them down when they do such outstanding work on behalf of others in need. Shame on those who keep attacking them. Live and let live. The fact that the Masons are so willing to work with the KofC, at least in this area, indicates that if they once had an anti-Catholic bias or whatever is in the past is no longer true. I have attended funerals at which the Masonic liturgy is used and find no serious objection to it, even though I wouldn't choose to have it at my own funeral. Lighten up you of with narrow minds!

  God bless the whole world - no exceptions.

Roy nobody is demonizing the Masons or their philanthropy. All I pointed out in my post was a Non-Catholic’s quote of how Masonic ritual was incompatible with Christianity.

That’s it. Any other objections you have would have to be taken up with the Pope (if you wanted) but not us. We are Catholics and we go with the Papal Declaration on this one. If you think the Declaration is evil, well brother your argument is not going to be solved on this forum but with the Vatican. If you want to make a case against Vatican teaching, well that’s your right, isn’t it.

God Bless the Whole World!!!

 

[human_being]

We as catholics have an encyclical written for us forbidding us to join the masons.An encyclical is an utmost serious business to us. Just as encyclicals regarding contraception,and abortion, and divorce and such. It is serious business to us. And until I see that opinion revoked by a pope in an “official” address, I can see it no other way. I am not declaring some kind of war on freemasonry,but I believe that if a pope found it so important to write an encyclical on it,it must be important to the Church’s welfare. Just as people think that contraception is a “good” thing the church doesn’t see it as good. And just as the church doesn’t see freemasonry as a desirable thing to join as a catholic but other people do see it as good. There is usually(and probably always) a very strong Christian reason that a Holy Father writes an encyclical and one was written about freemasonry by Pope Leo (Sorry I don’t know the roman numeral attributed to his name). And alot of protestant denominations do not want their congregations to be mason’s either. Sometimes what seems good and right is not good and right.“Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing”. Some people think that contraception is a gaurd against the spread of aids but it is against church teaching and it is finally being found that the use of contraception has only increased sexual activity and caused the epidemic to increase rather than decrease. What I am saying is that when a pope writes an encyclical it is best to believe it rather than not. I will try and find the encyclical and post it.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_08121892_inimica-vis_en.html This is from the vatican. The wording from Pope Leo XIII are very strong. It is not to be taken lightly at all. It was written in 1892 which was not that long ago.Please read it protestant or not. It starts by saying they are inspired by the evil spirit(demonizing?) and are at war with anything sacred.Pretty eye opening stuff on such a 'good" group of guys(and women).

Here is another one written around the same time maybe relating to the previous one postedhttp://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_08121892_custodi-di-quella-fede_en.html

 

[human_being]

THIS IS FROM 1983 OR 1985:vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19850223_declaration-masonic_articolo_en.html

 

[Roy5]

DON’T JOIN THE MASONS, THEN

There is some truth to the idea that the Masons have religious principles that may conflict with Catholicism. For example, they do acknowledge non-Christian religions in a way that Catholicism doesn't. But if Catholics don't want to belong to the Masons, simply don't join. But to refer to them as an "evil group" is to demonize them. What if someone calls the Catholic Church and evil group? That would be sheer bigotry.

  As for encyclicals, those who accept them as binding, then follow them. I believe the "Syllabus of Errors" by Pius IX had the authority of an encyclical, and it lambasted the basic principles upon which America was founded, including democracy, separation of church and state, etc. Pius said "Let them be anathema!" Are Catholics supposed to take that as gospel truth? 

   As for contraception, the Catholic Church can stand on principle there, but the large majority of Catholics ignore the teaching of the church and limit their families so that they can provide their children with the benefits that they need. I recall from childhood when Catholic families often had 10-12 children and lived in poverty. Most of us were farmers when large families (and many infant deaths) made sense. Today, with the cost of college and such, and many other modern pressures, most people feel that family planning is important for the welfare of everyone. I presume no one teaching is more ignored by Catholics (and has driven many Catholics out of the church) than the one forbidding artificial birth control. Married couples understand what bachelors may not.. 

  Besides, have Catholic popes contradicted one another? Have you read Abelard's Sic et Non from centuries ago? The Christian Church needs to evolve as the world evolved. The Church Fathersm brilliant men, had neither telescopes or microscopes and believed and taught many things that seem ridiculous today. Not long ago the church had the courage to recant for forcing Galileo to recant. It is silly to let human doctrine stand in the way of common sense. I know you believe it isn't human doctrine, but revealed knowledge, but we can respect one another and agree to differ on that.

  But, I love everybody and try my best to honor all honorable faiths, and may God bless the whole world - no exceptions.

 

[jam070406]

DON’T JOIN THE MASONS, THEN

There is some truth to the idea that the Masons have religious principles that may conflict with Catholicism. For example, they do acknowledge non-Christian religions in a way that Catholicism doesn't. But if Catholics don't want to belong to the Masons, simply don't join. But to refer to them as an "evil group" is to demonize them. What if someone calls the Catholic Church and evil group? That would be sheer bigotry.

  As for encyclicals, those who accept them as binding, then follow them. I believe the "Syllabus of Errors" by Pius IX had the authority of an encyclical, and it lambasted the basic principles upon which America was founded, including democracy, separation of church and state, etc. Pius said "Let them be anathema!" Are Catholics supposed to take that as gospel truth? 

   As for contraception, the Catholic Church can stand on principle there, but the large majority of Catholics ignore the teaching of the church and limit their families so that they can provide their children with the benefits that they need. I recall from childhood when Catholic families often had 10-12 children and lived in poverty. Most of us were farmers when large families (and many infant deaths) made sense. Today, with the cost of college and such, and many other modern pressures, most people feel that family planning is important for the welfare of everyone. I presume no one teaching is more ignored by Catholics (and has driven many Catholics out of the church) than the one forbidding artificial birth control. Married couples understand what bachelors may not.. 

  Besides, have Catholic popes contradicted one another? Have you read Abelard's Sic et Non from centuries ago? The Christian Church needs to evolve as the world evolved. The Church Fathersm brilliant men, had neither telescopes or microscopes and believed and taught many things that seem ridiculous today. Not long ago the church had the courage to recant for forcing Galileo to recant. It is silly to let human doctrine stand in the way of common sense. I know you believe it isn't human doctrine, but revealed knowledge, but we can respect one another and agree to differ on that.

  But, I love everybody and try my best to honor all honorable faiths, and may God bless the whole world - no exceptions.

Are you referring to this anathema in the Syllabus?

“Explain to them often and impress deeply on their souls the Papal constitutions on this subject and teach, them that the masonic associations are anathematized by them not only in Europe but also in America and wherever they may be in the whole world.”

papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm

 

[jam070406]

separation of church and state.

Ask yourself, where did the total and complete WALL of seperation come from?

No prayer in school, kids can’t say “one nation under God”, no more studying bible, no nativity scene on gov. lawns.
I thought you as a Christian would be upset about the removal of God (the Christian God anyway).

Well you can thank the Masons.

 

[human_being]

DON’T JOIN THE MASONS, THEN

There is some truth to the idea that the Masons have religious principles that may conflict with Catholicism. For example, they do acknowledge non-Christian religions in a way that Catholicism doesn't. But if Catholics don't want to belong to the Masons, simply don't join. But to refer to them as an "evil group" is to demonize them. What if someone calls the Catholic Church and evil group? That would be sheer bigotry.

  As for encyclicals, those who accept them as binding, then follow them. I believe the "Syllabus of Errors" by Pius IX had the authority of an encyclical, and it lambasted the basic principles upon which America was founded, including democracy, separation of church and state, etc. Pius said "Let them be anathema!" Are Catholics supposed to take that as gospel truth? 

   As for contraception, the Catholic Church can stand on principle there, but the large majority of Catholics ignore the teaching of the church and limit their families so that they can provide their children with the benefits that they need. I recall from childhood when Catholic families often had 10-12 children and lived in poverty. Most of us were farmers when large families (and many infant deaths) made sense. Today, with the cost of college and such, and many other modern pressures, most people feel that family planning is important for the welfare of everyone. I presume no one teaching is more ignored by Catholics (and has driven many Catholics out of the church) than the one forbidding artificial birth control. Married couples understand what bachelors may not.. 

  Besides, have Catholic popes contradicted one another? Have you read Abelard's Sic et Non from centuries ago? The Christian Church needs to evolve as the world evolved. The Church Fathersm brilliant men, had neither telescopes or microscopes and believed and taught many things that seem ridiculous today. Not long ago the church had the courage to recant for forcing Galileo to recant. It is silly to let human doctrine stand in the way of common sense. I know you believe it isn't human doctrine, but revealed knowledge, but we can respect one another and agree to differ on that.

  But, I love everybody and try my best to honor all honorable faiths, and may God bless the whole world - no exceptions.

The pope says they are inspired by evil spirit and I believe it. The church also offers natural family planning which does not use contraception. I am married with 3 children in school. I cannot support freemasonry. And I think it is dangerous that it is not talked about at Mass. Like I said, my own father,who is not very religious, but goes to Mass regularly to please my mother, was asked to join the local lodge recently. It is a lax attitude on principles that my father and many others do not even know that they can not join the masons. It is the same type of lax attitude that has Catholic politicians voting pro-choice,which I do not doubt is a freemason principle because it is FREEDOM to choose. That is my own opinion with no concrete facts to back it.Take it or leave it. I also don’t doubt that homosexual marriage has something to do with all of the FREEDOM stuff.But that is my own opinion.

 

[jam070406]

The pope says they are inspired by evil spirit and I believe it. The church also offers natural family planning which does not use contraception. I am married with 3 children in school. I cannot support freemasonry. And I think it is dangerous that it is not talked about at Mass. Like I said, my own father,who is not very religious, but goes to Mass regularly to please my mother, was asked to join the local lodge recently. It is a lax attitude on principles that my father and many others do not even know that they can not join the masons. It is the same type of lax attitude that has Catholic politicians voting pro-choice,which I do not doubt is a freemason principle because it is FREEDOM to choose. That is my own opinion with no concrete facts to back it.Take it or leave it. I also don’t doubt that homosexual marriage has something to do with all of the FREEDOM stuff.But that is my own opinion.

I agree.
Does true freedom come from government or God?

 

[Roy5]

GOLLY - WERE THE MASONS TO BLAME FOR THAT?

 JAM070406 (#175) seems to want to blame the Masons for pushing God out of the schools, the nativity scenes off lawns, etc. Nonsense.

  To begin with, children in school do pledge to the flag and 'one nation under God'.  I would guess that the overwhelming majority of Masons supported adding 'under God' as was done when Ike was president. I don't believe he was a Mason, but Truman was. And so were (and are) a number of other presidents and other key US leaders. 

   Late each June on St. John's Day (John the Baptist) Masons process into churches across the nation and participate in Christian ceremonies. I remember how they wear their little aprons, etc. So, to make them out as anti-Christian is absurd. I believe that one of the 10 Commandments forbids false testimony.

    Like many others, I have been sorry to see Christians traditions removed from public places. The Masons have had nothing to do with that. Many of the Founding Fathers were Masons and they were Christians. Some of my relatives have been Masons as well as fervent church members. As I've said already, I'm not attracted to the Masons personally, but calling them as an "evil group" is unfair and unwise. It smacks of the type of prejudice that was used against Catholicism in America for many years.

     Part of the problem is that in Europe some Masons were actively anti-Catholic years and years ago. I believe I've read that Mozart was one of them. But that was then and there. For Catholics to hold on to such prejudices is unfortunate. As I've already noted, the KofC and Masons have held joint events in this area. I think that's great and assists in breaking down walls of bigotry and misunderstanding. Some of you sound a lot like closed-minded  Protestants I've known who want so badly to hold on to their biases. It's time to put aside such silliness and work toward a genuine brotherhood/sisterhood among Americans and others of all races and creeds.

      God bless the whole world - no exceptions.

 

[jam070406]

GOLLY - WERE THE MASONS TO BLAME FOR THAT?

 JAM070406 (#175) seems to want to blame the Masons for pushing God out of the schools, the nativity scenes off lawns, etc. Nonsense.

  To begin with, children in school do pledge to the flag and 'one nation under God'.  I would guess that the overwhelming majority of Masons supported adding 'under God' as was done when Ike was president. I don't believe he was a Mason, but Truman was. And so were (and are) a number of other presidents and other key US leaders. 

   Late each June on St. John's Day (John the Baptist) Masons process into churches across the nation and participate in Christian ceremonies. I remember how they wear their little aprons, etc. So, to make them out as anti-Christian is absurd. I believe that one of the 10 Commandments forbids false testimony.

    Like many others, I have been sorry to see Christians traditions removed from public places. The Masons have had nothing to do with that. Many of the Founding Fathers were Masons and they were Christians. Some of my relatives have been Masons as well as fervent church members. As I've said already, I'm not attracted to the Masons personally, but calling them as an "evil group" is unfair and unwise. It smacks of the type of prejudice that was used against Catholicism in America for many years.

     Part of the problem is that in Europe some Masons were actively anti-Catholic years and years ago. I believe I've read that Mozart was one of them. But that was then and there. For Catholics to hold on to such prejudices is unfortunate. As I've already noted, the KofC and Masons have held joint events in this area. I think that's great and assists in breaking down walls of bigotry and misunderstanding. Some of you sound a lot like closed-minded  Protestants I've known who want so badly to hold on to their biases. It's time to put aside such silliness and work toward a genuine brotherhood/sisterhood among Americans and others of all races and creeds.

      God bless the whole world - no exceptions.

The FALSE, HERETICAL religion of Freemasonry is condemned by Christ’s Church and those Catholics that disobey the Church’s teaching on this are in GRAVE SIN!

Roy,
Sorry, but you are wrong. Masons did have alot to do with it.
Not really sure what fuels your allegiance to Masonry but, you should check out some of the books people have recommended. I would start by getting Behind the Lodge Door by Paul Fisher. The words of Masons themselves will open your eyes.

There *is no *misunderstanding Roy. The only ones that don’t understand (or refuse to), are those that are not educated in the fact that Masonry and Christianity are not compatible. Catholics cannot be Masons. Period. And Christianity does not propose a belief in universal salvation. It’s either Christ or Masonry. They teach two different world views. Christ’s Church says to **stay away **from Freemasonry. Jesus said, “Whoever hears you hears me” “Either you are for me or against me”
To disobey the words of Christ’s Church is to be against Him. No matter how upstanding citizens or loyal “christians” those Lodge members may be.

Why do more modern day Masons have a different view of Church and State and Christianity in the public square then the Founders? This country was founded on Christianity. But those that are opposed to any Christianity having anything to do with Government are those that see many paths to God. A Masonic philosophy.

I’m tired of the word “bigotry” being tossed around too. It’s a liberal way of inflaming emotion. Opposing error and evil is not bigotry. Freemasonry has been condemned by Popes as an evil religion. Period. I’m not bigotted against individual Masons. I hate the heretical, false religion of Freemasonry which is of the devil and leading souls astray.

Those men wearing their little aprons that you mentioned swore oaths of secrecy that is punishable by death if revealed. Does this sound Christian? Nothing comes before the Brotherhood, even the Church (the Body of Christ) Isn’t that right Roy? Violation of the 1st commandment Roy! So don’t preach at me about the commandments.

God bless the whole world - may the Holy Spirit lead the lost to Truth!!

 

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Masons,
In the Creed Catholics profess:

We believe in** one Lord**, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made.

In Freemasonry is Jesus Christ ALONE the “Grand architect of the Universe”? Yes or no?