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Soooo … on the other hand … ? All the Catholics you have ever met have been honest, decent, honorable, respectable, charitable individuals—some of the exceptionally so? Do you know any Catholics? Like get together for supper or go to a Litlle League game together - or socialize together any where, any time? Oh and - hope it’s not secret - do you know any LDS-masons?
The Catholics I have met have also generally been honorable people. I have nothing against the Catholics. But some of the Freemasons I have known have been truly outstanding.

I don’t know any LDS Masons; but I am sure there are some. One of them posted here in support of Dallas a while ago. Joseph Smith and some of the early leaders of the LDS Church were Masons.

zerinus
 
There is nothing new in that. It made one true statement thought:

“The two traditional enemies of freemasonry are the royalty and the papacy.”

Duly noted.

zerinus
Glad you agree - much as one could say of LDS that it holds as a mortal enemy, the Papacy.

Then again, no surprise, since you report that Joseph Smith was a mason.
 
Glad you agree - much as one could say of LDS that it holds as a mortal enemy, the Papacy.

Then again, no surprise, since you report that Joseph Smith was a mason.
That must be Catholic paranoia—or more likely your paranoia. LDS do not hold the Papacy as their enemy.

Sorry to disappoint! 😃

zerinus
 
That must be Catholic paranoia—or more likely your paranoia. LDS do not hold the Papacy as their enemy.

Sorry to disappoint! 😃

zerinus
Nope, sorry dear. No paranoia in my house. It’s unnecessary. I heard the anti-Catholic stuff from two young mormon missionaries and from one middle-aged mormon nurse who was SO angry when her sister became a Catholic.

PS - sorry to disappoint!
 
Nope, sorry dear. No paranoia in my house. It’s unnecessary. I heard the anti-Catholic stuff from two young mormon missionaries and from one middle-aged mormon nurse who was SO angry when her sister became a Catholic.
Unbelievable! Our missionaries are trained not to speak negatively of other people’s religions. They are there to preach the good news of the Restoration, not to knock down other people’s religions.

As for the nurse, I don’t know the individual circumstance, so I cannot comment. Anybody of any religion is likely to be upset if their sister joins another religion.

zerinus
 
Unbelievable! Our missionaries are trained not to speak negatively of other people’s religions. They are there to preach the good news of the Restoration, not to knock down other people’s religions.

As for the nurse, I don’t know the individual circumstance, so I cannot comment. Anybody of any religion is likely to be upset if their sister joins another religion.

zerinus
Not to derail, but isn’t the missionary training standard across all wards?

I know the few times that I have tried to discuss with some, they just got flustered and left, but never got anti-Catholic, other than the whole apostacy thing.
 
Not to derail, but isn’t the missionary training standard across all wards?
Didn’t understand what you meant.
I know the few times that I have tried to discuss with some, they just got flustered and left, . . .
Judging by the experience I have had with you here, I can understand why. The missionaries are instructed not to debate and argue with people. They are there to present the simple message of the Restored gospel. If somebody wants to debate and argue, they leave him alone, and go to someone else. Their time is more valuable than that.
. . . but never got anti-Catholic, . . .
That is right, they don’t. They don’t get anti-anything, not just anti-Catholic.
. . . other than the whole apostacy thing.
The Apostasy doctrine is not intended as an attack on any other religion—although they may see it as such. It simply means that without an Apostasy, a Restoration would not be necessary.

zerinus
 
Didn’t understand what you meant.

Judging by the experience I have had with you here, I can understand why. The missionaries are instructed not to debate and argue with people. They are there to present the simple message of the Restored gospel. If somebody wants to debate and argue, they leave him alone, and go to someone else. Their time is more valuable than that.

That is right, they don’t. They don’t get anti-anything, not just anti-Catholic.

The Apostasy doctrine is not intended as an attack on any other religion—although they may see it as such. It simply means that without an Apostasy, a Restoration would not be necessary.

zerinus
I know growing up Mormon and living in Utah Mormons argue all the time with non-Mormons. Let’s be honest that is why you are on a CAF. I was told when I was younger that I could not date or hang out with anyone that is not LDS.
 
Didn’t understand what you meant.
Aren’t all Mormon missionaries everywhere taught the same thing?
Judging by the experience I have had with you here, I can understand why. The missionaries are instructed not to debate and argue with people. They are there to present the simple message of the Restored gospel. If somebody wants to debate and argue, they leave him alone, and go to someone else. Their time is more valuable than that.
You bring out the best in me. Generally, I am more logical. This topic, though, based on my experience in Alabama, is a little more sensative. Here Masons have a high corrolation with the Klan. Even without the CHurch, that should be enough to keep local Catholics out.
That is right, they don’t. They don’t get anti-anything, not just anti-Catholic.
The Apostasy doctrine is not intended as an attack on any other religion—although they may see it as such. It simply means that without an Apostasy, a Restoration would not be necessary.
Think about it. Your church tells the rest of us that we are not Christian because our Church left. That is, by definition, anti-Catholic. It is the same as someone saying that LDS are not Christians because Joseph Smith founded your church.
 
Aren’t all Mormon missionaries everywhere taught the same thing?
Generally speaking yes.
You bring out the best in me. Generally, I am more logical. This topic, though, based on my experience in Alabama, is a little more sensative. Here Masons have a high corrolation with the Klan. Even without the CHurch, that should be enough to keep local Catholics out.
First of all I don’t know what relevance that has to the paragaph you were supposedly commenting on. Second, my primary object of interest here is not Masonry, but Mormonism. As for Masonry, I don’t really know that much about it. I don’t know what Masonry is like in Alabama. Other people who know should comment. I speak about it in general terms. Masonry is not centrally organized, and all grand lodges do not recognize each other. My interest is in the classic variety of Masonry which defer to or are recognized by the United Grand Lodge of England. I consider that to be an honorable and respectable institution.
Think about it. Your church tells the rest of us that we are not Christian because our Church left. That is, by definition, anti-Catholic. It is the same as someone saying that LDS are not Christians because Joseph Smith founded your church.
That is ilogical and not true.

zerinus
 
Generally speaking yes.
I thought so. Thank you.
First of all I don’t know what relevance that has to the paragaph you were supposedly commenting on. Second, my primary object of interest here is not Masonry, but Mormonism. As for Masonry, I don’t really know that much about it. I don’t know what Masonry is like in Alabama. Other people who know should comment. I speak about it in general terms. Masonry is not centrally organized, and all grand lodges do not recognize each other. My interest is in the classic variety of Masonry which defer to or are recognized by the United Grand Lodge of England. I consider that to be an honorable and respectable institution.
Fine. That may be an honorable institution. IT was left at the border here.
That is ilogical and not true.
If you think so. Telling someone that their faith is not true is always insulting.
 
Unbelievable! Our missionaries are trained not to speak negatively of other people’s religions. They are there to preach the good news of the Restoration, not to knock down other people’s religions.
Perhaps you should learn your communication skills from them then.
 
Fine. That may be an honorable institution. IT was left at the border here.
Again, Americam Masons must defend themselves against such an attack; but evidence presented to me points to the contrary.
If you think so. Telling someone that their faith is not true is always insulting.
That may be so, but truth has to be told. The truth is that the gospel has been Restored. If some people find that message insulting, tough luck for them. We are not going to shrink from carrying out the responsibility the Lord has placed on us to preach that good news to all people, just becsuse some folks don’t like it. He that is of the light will accept the light and rejoice in it. He that is not of the lilght will remain in the dark, and can get offended for all we care. It is no skin off our nose in the end.

zerinus
 
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