French-imam-hits-out-at-extremists-after-church-attack

[Rosebud77]

Hope this is the right place for this…

This is a leading Irish news site.

breakingnews.ie/world/french-imam-hits-out-at-extremists-after-church-attack-747355.html

Even so the first comment saddened…

“Not to completely pour cold water on an Imam expressing sympathy BUT… One persons extremist is another persons reasonable cousin. The plain and simple facts are that this Imam by definition of his religion holds extremist views with regard to slavery, with regard to women’s secondary role in society, with regards to the death penalty for a myriad of things it deems offensive…with regards to “Relations” with minors…and anon… An imam calling other Muslims extremist is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black”

Racism here in Ireland is rife. There has to be some rapport. Some rapprochment …Another item carried the comment that anyone whose women wore the hijab must be instantly deported… I greet and talk to a wide range of cultures here.

 

[ShrodingersCat]

Hope this is the right place for this…

This is a leading Irish news site.

breakingnews.ie/world/french-imam-hits-out-at-extremists-after-church-attack-747355.html

Even so the first comment saddened…

“Not to completely pour cold water on an Imam expressing sympathy BUT… One persons extremist is another persons reasonable cousin. The plain and simple facts are that this Imam by definition of his religion holds extremist views with regard to slavery, with regard to women’s secondary role in society, with regards to the death penalty for a myriad of things it deems offensive…with regards to “Relations” with minors…and anon… An imam calling other Muslims extremist is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black”

Racism here in Ireland is rife. There has to be some rapport. Some rapprochment …Another item carried the comment that anyone whose women wore the hijab must be instantly deported… I greet and talk to a wide range of cultures here.

It’s saddening, but there are people like that in every country, not just Ireland. Actually I’m a little afraid of the amount of traction the far right is getting.

 

[ChurchSoldier]

Islam is a religion based upon submission of anyone not muslim. Until the west realizes they are fighting a battle to overthrow their way of life, resistance won’t be effective.

The most interesting part, is that violence isn’t really the plan, reproduction is. Muslims are focusing on having babies, while westerners are focussed on personal pleasure. The voting booth will be the ultimate weapon to fully implement Sharia.

 

[Alex_H]

Right wing politicians and their supporters only insight more hatred of the west when they denigrate Muslims. The majority of Muslims are peaceful people, just trying to get by.

The words of Martin Luther King come out to me right now.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

 

[Hatikvah]

The most interesting part, is that violence isn’t really the plan, reproduction is. Muslims are focusing on having babies, while westerners are focussed on personal pleasure. The voting booth will be the ultimate weapon to fully implement Sharia.

Why is it that liberal democrats (and others, but democrats in particular) love Islam and all things Muslim, yet Islam is against their favorite things: abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, fornication, contraception (I think), and so on.

I haven’t seen any major American politicians advocating the inhumanity of Sharia yet…

I don’t understand!!!

 

[Hatikvah]

Right wing politicians and their supporters only insight more hatred of the west when they denigrate Muslims. The majority of Muslims are peaceful people, just trying to get by.

The words of Martin Luther King come out to me right now.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

MLK was a minister and a man of God, too. Surely, Jesus would’ve agreed with such a statement. Islam as an institution, however, can surely be deadly when it is paired with politics (i.e., look at any Muslim majority nation with Sharia still there). Even Greece is allowing for Sharia courts.

The UK has Sharia courts now (I believe). Why can’t they just have the same laws as everyone else?

 

[Alex_H]

MLK was a minister and a man of God, too. Surely, Jesus would’ve agreed with such a statement. Islam as an institution, however, can surely be deadly when it is paired with politics (i.e., look at any Muslim majority nation with Sharia still there). Even Greece is allowing for Sharia courts.

The UK has Sharia courts now (I believe). Why can’t they just have the same laws as everyone else?

I don’t know.

I was reading another thread here on CAF about the war in Iraq.

Let me offer my observations, and you can challenge them if you wish.

When the U.S. invaded Iraq, the middle east was held together by dictators. Mubarak, Hussein, Qadaffi, Assad, etc.

The U.S. invaded Iraq and deposed the dictator there. Then the U.S. disenfranchised the Iraqi army, which was composed of almost entirely of Sunnis. These Sunnis would go on to fight a long insurgency against the U.S. and would eventually form ISIS.

ISIS would start killing anyone who disagreed with them and start waging a war in Syria and Iraq, with the goal of establishing a Caliphate in the middle east. People from Iraq and Syria, who were used to living under Islamic law, would then flee ISIS and its savagery, mostly pouring into Europe.

So now you have a lot of people from the middle east in culture shock. Many felt marginalized and out of place in western society.

Meanwhile, the U.S. would continue to cause problems by supporting the ousting of Mubarak, the dictator of Egypt, in favor of a new guy, Mohammad Morsi. A few months later, the U.S. realized that Morsi was an even worse dictator and supported his ouster from office. Likewise, the U.S. would support, militarily, a revolution in Libya which led to the death of the dictator there, Qadaffi. Libya has still not recovered and is now a hotbed for terrorist activity. (See the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi)

So, long story short, maybe the U.S. should get off its high horse and stop trying to force a western style democracy in the middle east. It’s just not going to work.

You are free to disagree with my conclusions.

 

[Hatikvah]

So, long story short, maybe the U.S. should get off its high horse and stop trying to force a western style democracy in the middle east. It’s just not going to work.

You are free to disagree with my conclusions.

I was on that thread, too. I do not really understand all of the “Middle East wars” very much, I was younger at the time that many of them occured, but what you said really sounds like what I’ve heard.

I don’t have anything to disagree with here. The Truman Doctrine worked with communism (e.g., Korea, Vietnam, some parts of the Cold War) but it will not work with Sharia. Sharia is more widespread, old, and people are probably not going to side with the liberators (perhaps in Iran, 68% of people disagree with the blasphemy law).

 

[ShrodingersCat]

I don’t know.

I was reading another thread here on CAF about the war in Iraq.

Let me offer my observations, and you can challenge them if you wish.

When the U.S. invaded Iraq, the middle east was held together by dictators. Mubarak, Hussein, Qadaffi, Assad, etc.

The U.S. invaded Iraq and deposed the dictator there. Then the U.S. disenfranchised the Iraqi army, which was composed of almost entirely of Sunnis. These Sunnis would go on to fight a long insurgency against the U.S. and would eventually form ISIS.

ISIS would start killing anyone who disagreed with them and start waging a war in Syria and Iraq, with the goal of establishing a Caliphate in the middle east. People from Iraq and Syria, who were used to living under Islamic law, would then flee ISIS and its savagery, mostly pouring into Europe.

So now you have a lot of people from the middle east in culture shock. Many felt marginalized and out of place in western society.

Meanwhile, the U.S. would continue to cause problems by supporting the ousting of Mubarak, the dictator of Egypt, in favor of a new guy, Mohammad Morsi. A few months later, the U.S. realized that Morsi was an even worse dictator and supported his ouster from office. Likewise, the U.S. would support, militarily, a revolution in Libya which led to the death of the dictator there, Qadaffi. Libya has still not recovered and is now a hotbed for terrorist activity. (See the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi)

So, long story short, maybe the U.S. should get off its high horse and stop trying to force a western style democracy in the middle east. It’s just not going to work.

You are free to disagree with my conclusions.

Gonna have to agree with you too.

 

[abucs]

Right wing politicians and their supporters only insight more hatred of the west when they denigrate Muslims. The majority of Muslims are peaceful people, just trying to get by.

The words of Martin Luther King come out to me right now.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

I think it is incorrect to label European anti-Muslim parties as right wing. Especially since the native citizens on the front-lines of this problem are generally working class people who have voted for the Left for most of their lives, and believe they have been sold out.

Their very real fear is that it is the Darkness that will drive out Light.

 

[abucs]

So, long story short, maybe the U.S. should get off its high horse and stop trying to force a western style democracy in the middle east. It’s just not going to work.

I think in the long run, western style secular democracies are not going to work anywhere, including the west.

 

[ChurchSoldier]

Why is it that liberal democrats (and others, but democrats in particular) love Islam and all things Muslim, yet Islam is against their favorite things: abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, fornication, contraception (I think), and so on.

I haven’t seen any major American politicians advocating the inhumanity of Sharia yet…

I don’t understand!!!

I think it’s the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” philosophy. Neither system wants the message of freedom that Christianity promotes.

 

[Padres1969]

So, long story short, maybe the U.S. should get off its high horse and stop trying to force a western style democracy in the middle east. It’s just not going to work.

You are free to disagree with my conclusions.

You know, my co-worker who is from Ivory Coast said the exact same thing to me last week. Though she didn’t limit her criticism to the US, but to all western countries (particularly France. She absolutely hates the French for what she perceives as their continued abuse of Ivory Coast). She doesn’t see our democracy as having value in certain places in the world. Her view is more geared toward West Africa, but she feels the Middle East is the same way. In her opinion there are certain places in the world where they need a strong but benevolent king, or similar leader, to run things. That electoral freedom just opens up more avenues for corruption, anarchy and abuse.

I don’t necessarily agree with her, but then I’ve not lived through several Coup d’etats and Civil Wars either so I’m not in a position to necessarily counter her first hand experiences.

 

[Padres1969]

How does that work? If someone wants to opt out of these courts who are members of the community can they?

 

[Padres1969]

So, long story short, maybe the U.S. should get off its high horse and stop trying to force a western style democracy in the middle east. It’s just not going to work.

You are free to disagree with my conclusions.

You know, my co-worker who is from Ivory Coast said the exact same thing to me last week. Though she didn’t limit her criticism to the US, but to all western countries (particularly France. She absolutely hates the French for what she perceives as their continued abuse of Ivory Coast). She doesn’t see our democracy as having value in certain places in the world. Her view is more geared toward West Africa, but she feels the Middle East is the same way. In her opinion there are certain places in the world where they need a strong but benevolent king, or similar leader, to run things. That electoral freedom just opens up more avenues for corruption, anarchy and abuse.

I don’t necessarily agree with her, but then I’ve not lived through several Coup d’etats and Civil Wars either so I’m not in a position to necessarily counter her first hand experiences.

 

[simspt]

Right wing politicians and their supporters only insight more hatred of the west when they denigrate Muslims. The majority of Muslims are peaceful people, just trying to get by.

The words of Martin Luther King come out to me right now.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

Islamic fascism is a cancer spreading throughout the world. Large numbers… not small. These Muslims not only deserve to be denigrated but terminated in brutal efficiency. They deserve the hatred of the West. Left wing liberal politicians and their supporters only encourage more vulnerability when they are more concerned with “peaceful Muslims” becoming hateful of the west or feeling threatened. Until the West terminates these children of Satan with the same resolve it did with the Germans and Japanese 70 years ago the cancer will grow while liberal politicians and their sheep remain in their state of denial. MLK quotes are nice…unfortunately liberals tend to confuse hatred of evil with intolerance.