Fresh Starting: Protestants

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inJESUS said:
oh so here we must know what Protestant we are dealing with. So again it is not Protestantism, but branches within it.

Who are the Protestants?
1- Anglicans
2-Calvinist
3- Evangelical
4-Pentecostal
5-?
6-?

so Catholics do not have to deal with Protestantism as a whole but with many Protestantisms? so it’s not Catholics versus Protestants but Catholics versus number 1,2,3,4.5 ecc and it depends on what kind of Protestans you are…correct so far?
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Yes, This is the reason you will see Catholics (And believe it or not, some of us protestants too!) around the forum complaining that there are so many denominations.

Though it’d be insurmountable if all the branches were drastically different, You can learn about Calvinism and Arminianism and cover a very large segment of the protestant population with just those two.
 
Syele said:
Yes, This is the reason you will see Catholics (And believe it or not, some of us protestants too!) around the forum complaining that there are so many denominations.

Though it’d be insurmountable if all the branches were drastically different, You can learn about Calvinism and Arminianism and cover a very large segment of the protestant population with just those two.
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one thing is sure now : things are not easy as i expected 🙂

but as you said ( and i was going to ask it ), Calvinism and Armnianism ( first time i hear about it btw), are the key.

what are the things that ALL Protestant branches reject regarding Catholicism? maybe we should continue from here.

btw, thank you a lot…you made things much clearer for me. though things are very confusing .👍
 
inJESUS said:
one thing is sure now : things are not easy as i expected 🙂

but as you said ( and i was going to ask it ), Calvinism and Armnianism ( first time i hear about it btw), are the key.

what are the things that ALL Protestant branches reject regarding Catholicism? maybe we should continue from here.

btw, thank you a lot…you made things much clearer for me. though things are very confusing .👍
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Well let’s see, I hesitatie to say ALL protestants anything, cause it’s always possibel there is a group I don’t know about somewhere… but it’s generally safe to say protestants:
  1. Reject the Authority of the Catholic Churhc
  2. Believe that NO human can be sinless or infalliable (Except Jesus, He is exempted only because He is also fully God.)
  3. Believe in Justification by Faith (Works are part of Sanctification)
  4. Believe that the Bible is inerrant and no doctrine may contradict it.
  5. Most protestants believe that you should not pray to Saints or Mary.
 
A brief thingy about Calvinism vs. Armininism…

Armininism put forth their 5 points and the Calvinist Synod of Dort refuted them by writing up the 5 points of Calvinism. They made theirs easier to remember by making them with the TULIP acrynomym(sp?). You can read up on the points here.
 
Syele said:
A brief thingy about Calvinism vs. Armininism…

Armininism put forth their 5 points and the Calvinist Synod of Dort refuted them by writing up the 5 points of Calvinism. They made theirs easier to remember by making them with the TULIP acrynomym(sp?). You can read up on the points here.
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i got a bit confused sorry. Are Calvinism and Arminianism contradictory? or did they settle things in 1916?
 
inJESUS said:
what does this mean and how does it differ from Catholic teachings?
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Well sort of, but not really. (Great answer huh? sorry.)
Most protestants have a belief in one version or other of Sola Scriptura. Where Catholics include with that the same authority to the magistrate, ex cathedra, etc.
inJESUS said:
neither Catholics “should” as far as i know.
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Well the “asking of Saints and Mary to pray for you” by protestant terms is not allowed.
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Syele said:
of Justification. they are actually very simmilar and can get complicated to explain the differences. I’ll see if I can find a link to explain the difference better than I can say it myself. yea i knew this must be a very thin line between the 2
Well sort of, but not really. (Great answer huh? sorry.)
Most protestants have a belief in one version or other of Sola Scriptura. Where Catholics include with that the same authority to the magistrate, ex cathedra, etc.
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ok.
Well the “asking of Saints and Mary to pray for you” by protestant terms is not allowed.
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oh i see. in Catholicism allowed, in Protestantism no. OK. I don’t see this as a contension point because as a Catholic, i don’t HAVE TO if i don’t want. A Catholic who doesn’t like to ask for Saints’ intercession does not haveto leave the Catholic Church becauseit is not a “must”.
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inJESUS said:
i got a bit confused sorry. Are Calvinism and Arminianism contradictory? or did they settle things in 1916?
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they are completely opposite one another and contradictory. Either one can be logically defended from Scriptures.

It’s when you start mixing them they stop making any sense IMO.
 
Syele, i’ll stick to this point so far ( faith vs work). Thank you again for your patience 🙂
 
inJESUS said:
Ok, am one of those who do not differentiate between Christians and i never lived this contentions or even felt it. I don’t know all the differences between Catholics and Protestants. I want a fresh start .

I’LL start with OSAS idea. Please state why you believe it with references from the Bible and what does it really mean.

to all: please ONLY ONE idea can be discussed.
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John 10

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

Hebrews 6:4-6

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away,to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

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inJESUS said:
Syele;1595988:
inJESUS;1595964:
ok, if you can provide me with a link i’d appreciate it 🙂
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Ok MAriaG. had some articles in another thread…
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		 			 		 		 		 		Maybe if you read this article on the difference in the definition of Catholic Justification and Protestant Justification it would help.
Although the same words can be used, there are different theological meanings that Protestants put upon the words than Catholics have historically used.

Justification from New Advent. Also related to this is this topic and understanding is the article Sanctifying Grace and this one Controversies On Grace

I would encourage you to take the time to read the articles, it would help you better understand what is meant by Catholics when we use the words justification, sanctification and even grace.

God Bless,
Maria
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Thank you Syele…you were of a great help to me…my guardian angel for tonight 😛 i’ll check the links and go to bead since it’s dawn and my head is turning 😃

rebarcia, i assume you believe in predestination . Can you answer my previous post regarding thing?

thank you 👍 and God bless you all.
 
LOL am in deep trouble already with all these theological links…but i like it 👍 thx again:D
 
inJESUS said:
Thank you Syele…you were of a great help to me…my guardian angel for tonight 😛 i’ll check the links and go to bead since it’s dawn and my head is turning 😃

thank you 👍 and God bless you all.
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Your welcome, and sleep well. 🙂
 
inJESUS said:
oh Lord, i don’t know how can all God’s mercy fit into all this. It’s too gloomy.
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I missed answering this one erlier…

With predestination, All men have sinned and so offended God, and therefore deserve hell. It is only because he is merciful that He chose to save some of them.
 
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