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Freud was an excellent writer and a keen observer of human nature. He was an atheist and his intention was to ultimately explain society, religion, all behaviour using a scientific approach to the mind. He failed in pretty well everyone’s opinion, but at least he spoke of the mind. He actually abandonned an attempt to reduce everything to neurology, which unfortunately seems to be a major trend today.
 
What thought Ludwig von Mises about Freud and psychoanalysis:

"How entirely people have misunderstood Marxian materialism is shown in the common practice of lumping together Marxism and Freud’s psychoanalysis. Actually no sharper contrast can be thought of than that between these two doctrines. Materialism aims at reducing mental phenomena to material causes. Psychoanalysis, on the contrary, deals with mental phenomena as with an autonomous field. While traditional psychiatry and neurology tried to explain all pathological conditions with which they were concerned as caused by definite pathological conditions of some bodily organs, psychoanalysis succeeded in demonstrating that abnormal states of the body are sometimes produced by mental factors. This discovery was the achievement of Charcot and of Josef Breuer, and it was the great exploit of Sigmund Freud to build upon this foundation a comprehensive systematic discipline. Psychoanalysis is the opposite of all brands of materialism. If we look upon it not as a branch of pure knowledge but as a method of healing the sick, we would have to call it a thymological branch of medicine.

Freud was a modest man. He did not make extravagant pretensions regarding the importance of his contributions. He was very cautious in touching upon problems of philosophy and branches of knowledge to the development of which he himself had not contributed. He did not venture to attack any of the metaphysical propositions of materialism. He even went so far as to admit that one day science may succeed in providing a purely physiological explanation of the phenomena psychoanalysis deals with. Only so long as this does not happen, psychoanalysis appeared to him scientifically sound and practically indispensable. He was no less cautious in criticizing Marxian materialism. He freely confessed his incompetence in this field.[2] But all this does not alter the fact that the psychoanalytical approach is essentially and substantially incompatible with the epistemology of materialism.

Psychoanalysis stresses the role that the libido, the sexual impulse, plays in human life. This role had been neglected before by psychology as well as by all other branches of knowledge. Psychoanalysis also explains the reasons for this neglect. But it by no means asserts that sex is the only human urge seeking satisfaction and that all psychic phenomena are induced by it. Its preoccupation with sexual impulses arose from the fact that it started as a therapeutical method and that most of the pathological conditions it had to deal with are caused by the repression of sexual urges.

The reason some authors linked psychoanalysis and Marxism was that both were considered to be at variance with theological ideas. However, with the passing of time theological schools and groups of various denominations are adopting a different evaluation of the teachings of Freud. They are not merely dropping their radical opposition as they have already done before with regard to modern astronomical and geological achievements and the theories of phylogenetic change in the structure of organisms. They are trying to integrate psychoanalysis into the system and the practice of pastoral theology. They view the study of psychoanalysis as an important part of the training for the ministry."

Ludwig von Mises “Theory and History: An Interpretation of Social and Economic Evolution”
 
This is misinterpretation of Freud.
Please, read Rama Coomaraswamy article about Freud.😉

Freud is often accused of “sexual revolution”, but this is in fact a mistake.
His pupils - anarchist Otto Gross and communist Wilhelm Reich postulated complete sexual freedom, not Freud!
no disrespect but I’m done with freud. You may be correct about this sexual revolution stuff but I also have a big problem with freud being deterministic and this idea that we have no free will everything is determined.

Now granted I have had two professors who have told me the same thing about freud so no disrespect I trust their word over yours.
 
One of my most memorable papers that I read in graduate school, was a biography of Freud. For example, he believed that the moon affected the earth, and he developed a bladder control problems where he would wet himself whenever he got excited. Carl Jung used to cover for him whenever he wet himself at a conference.

Perhaps most interesting, Freud was a failure in the many directions his professional career took him, until he developed his theory on psychoanalysis. Psychoanalysis, I’m sure, was meant for the wandering Jews of his time. Freud helped extinguish the growing superstitions of his time, and replaced it with ‘science.’
 
“I also have a big problem with freud being deterministic and this idea that we have no free will everything is determined”

We are partly determined, as we are in some aspects animals (instincts). We are also determined by our mental structure (e.g. “id”, "ego, “superego”). I think all these are parts of our nature. As we know human nature cannot be modified. But in my opinion it isn’t contradictory with religious view.

If Freud really didn’t believe in free will, what for he created psychoanalysis - method of cure and change of unhealthy minds?

Freud was a man of big paradox - he was educated in positivistic and materialistic style with no-free will conception and postulated “scientific outlook”, but on the other hand he created psychoanalysis which is a negation of positivism, materialism and scientism.

I want to add from myself humorously, even if “free will” wouldn’t exist we should have to live as if it exists 😉
 
One of my most memorable papers that I read in graduate school, was a biography of Freud. For example, he believed that the moon affected the earth, and he developed a bladder control problems where he would wet himself whenever he got excited. Carl Jung used to cover for him whenever he wet himself at a conference.

Perhaps most interesting, Freud was a failure in the many directions his professional career took him, until he developed his theory on psychoanalysis. Psychoanalysis, I’m sure, was meant for the wandering Jews of his time. Freud helped extinguish the growing superstitions of his time, and replaced it with ‘science.’
Psychoanalysis is for everyone regardless of nationality. Jews and non-Jews have the same psychic apparatus.

Einstein once said about Freud: “He had a sharp vision; no illusions lulled him to sleep except for an often exaggerated faith in his own ideas.”. And one of an idea Freud exaggeratedly believed was that religion is only an illusion.
 
“I also have a big problem with freud being deterministic and this idea that we have no free will everything is determined”

We are partly determined, as we are in some aspects animals (instincts). We are also determined by our mental structure (e.g. “id”, "ego, “superego”). I think all these are parts of our nature. As we know human nature cannot be modified. But in my opinion it isn’t contradictory with religious view.

If Freud really didn’t believe in free will, what for he created psychoanalysis - method of cure and change of unhealthy minds?

Freud was a man of big paradox - he was educated in positivistic and materialistic style with no-free will conception and postulated “scientific outlook”, but on the other hand he created psychoanalysis which is a negation of positivism, materialism and scientism.

I want to add from myself humorously, even if “free will” wouldn’t exist we should have to live as if it exists 😉
he would anaylize things in a way to understand why people make the decisions they make and try to change their environment and such to make them have a better life. Freud’s psychology is behind alot of the new movement now of days to just say the decisions we make are a process of our mental chemicals and such. Freud’s theories in psychology remove moral culpability because it is just a chemical process of the mind.

To think Freud’s theories are ok and to be catholic isn’t good. Freud’s theories fuel people being ok with abortion, euthanasia, and so on and so forth.
 
he would anaylize things in a way to understand why people make the decisions they make and try to change their environment and such to make them have a better life. Freud’s psychology is behind alot of the new movement now of days to just say the decisions we make are a process of our mental chemicals and such. Freud’s theories in psychology remove moral culpability because it is just a chemical process of the mind.

To think Freud’s theories are ok and to be catholic isn’t good. Freud’s theories fuel people being ok with abortion, euthanasia, and so on and so forth.
It was awful Marx who want to change people’s environment (in the economical sense). Freud want to change people’s minds, in positive terms of course.
Of course Freud knew that human being has limitations - e.g. we have insticts which we cannot change, but we can transform our insticts to creative things and vitues (sublimation).

Present-day psychology is in fact pop-psychology, which is based on false assumptions. This is optimistic psychology, which views human being as boundlessly creative person. We can all, if we will think positively. I think this view is in contradiction with chatolic view on human nature. Whereas Freud pesimistic view on human nature is closer to catholicism.

In correspondence with pastor and friend Oskar Pfister Freud stated that:

“Psychoanalysis is neither religious nor non–religious, but an impartial tool which both priest and layman can use in the service of the sufferer.”

He also wrote to the pastor:

“…you are in the fortunate position of being able to lead them to God…for us this way of disposing of the matter does not exist. Our public, no matter what racial origin, is irreligious, and we are generally thoroughly irreligious ourselves.”
 
Psychoanalysis is for everyone regardless of nationality. Jews and non-Jews have the same psychic apparatus.

Einstein once said about Freud: “He had a sharp vision; no illusions lulled him to sleep except for an often exaggerated faith in his own ideas.”. And one of an idea Freud exaggeratedly believed was that religion is only an illusion.
Yes, psychoanalysis work the same way for everyone, but the most prominent psychoanalysts were Jewish.
 
It was awful Marx who want to change people’s environment (in the economical sense). Freud want to change people’s minds, in positive terms of course.
Of course Freud knew that human being has limitations - e.g. we have insticts which we cannot change, but we can transform our insticts to creative things and vitues (sublimation).

Present-day psychology is in fact pop-psychology, which is based on false assumptions. This is optimistic psychology, which views human being as boundlessly creative person. We can all, if we will think positively. I think this view is in contradiction with chatolic view on human nature. Whereas Freud pesimistic view on human nature is closer to catholicism.

In correspondence with pastor and friend Oskar Pfister Freud stated that:

“Psychoanalysis is neither religious nor non–religious, but an impartial tool which both priest and layman can use in the service of the sufferer.”

He also wrote to the pastor:

“…you are in the fortunate position of being able to lead them to God…for us this way of disposing of the matter does not exist. Our public, no matter what racial origin, is irreligious, and we are generally thoroughly irreligious ourselves.”
my big problem from my brief encounter with freud is that his theories his views have opened up this idea that we are just determined beings and that we don’t have much if any control over what happens. Maybe freud wasn’t that radical in his beliefs but I have read articles who use freud as an argument for determinism. Which basically argues that there is no free will and that everything is determined. I didn’t enter seminary on myown free will, my enviorment my upbringing my parents upbringing, where I was born what school I attended etc. etc. etc. made me go to seminary. Not because I discerned it and came to a decision using my own rational powers to make a major life changing decision. Granted life circumstances effect where we end up in life, but its not an absolute type thing. We are still free to choose in many ways.

Another thing does freud ever talk about the soul? Does he ever talk about the duality of man (form and matter in man) (body and soul)? classic Aristotle and Aquinas stuff?

If he ignores that I believe he is missing one of the most fundamental aspects of the human person. We are not just a collection of molecules which combine to make body parts and so on and so forth. We have a soul, a rational soul, we have the capability for intellect and we are not just reactionary animals adapting to our environment.
 
my big problem from my brief encounter with freud is that his theories his views have opened up this idea that we are just determined beings and that we don’t have much if any control over what happens. Maybe freud wasn’t that radical in his beliefs but I have read articles who use freud as an argument for determinism. Which basically argues that there is no free willand that everything is determined. I didn’t enter seminary on myown free will, my enviorment my upbringing my parents upbringing, where I was born what school I attended etc. etc. etc. made me go to seminary. Not because I discerned it and came to a decision using my own rational powers to make a major life changing decision. Granted life circumstances effect where we end up in life, but its not an absolute type thing. We are still free to choose in many ways.

Another thing does freud ever talk about the soul? Does he ever talk about the duality of man (form and matter in man) (body and soul)? classic Aristotle and Aquinas stuff?

If he ignores that I believe he is missing one of the most fundamental aspects of the human person. We are not just a collection of molecules which combine to make body parts and so on and so forth. We have a soul, a rational soul, we have the capability for intellect and we are not just reactionary animals adapting to our environment.
If Freud didn’t accept “free will” idea, what for he would create psychoanalysis as tool for the change and cure?
As Coomaraswamy said:
“Freud, like most of us, was not of course, always consistent. While he was an evolutionist, he also believed in the free will, and in assisting the weak—the psychologically blind and lame—to function more effectively.”

Freud was complicated person;-)

On Freud and materialism:
“How entirely people have misunderstood Marxian materialism is shown in the common practice of lumping together Marxism and Freud’s psychoanalysis. Actually no sharper contrast can be thought of than that between these two doctrines. Materialism aims at reducing mental phenomena to material causes. Psychoanalysis, on the contrary, deals with mental phenomena as with an autonomous field. While traditional psychiatry and neurology tried to explain all pathological conditions with which they were concerned as caused by definite pathological conditions of some bodily organs, psychoanalysis succeeded in demonstrating that abnormal states of the body are sometimes produced by mental factors. This discovery was the achievement of Charcot and of Josef Breuer, and it was the great exploit of Sigmund Freud to build upon this foundation a comprehensive systematic discipline. Psychoanalysis is the opposite of all brands of materialism. If we look upon it not as a branch of pure knowledge but as a method of healing the sick, we would have to call it a thymological branch (geisteswissenschaftlicher Zweig) of medicine.”
Ludwig von Mises

On Freud and soul:
“Fraud, creator of psychoanalysis, has great merits in fighting with two dangerous superstitions: materialism, which denies existence of the soul and positivism, which refuses speaking by psychologist on phenomenons, which lie beyond sensory experience” - father Joseph Bochenski en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Maria_Boche%C5%84ski

Freud, of course, seperated “soul” and “body”, but “soul” he treated in strict psychological and no religious terms.
 
If Freud didn’t accept “free will” idea, what for he would create psychoanalysis as tool for the change and cure?
As Coomaraswamy said:
“Freud, like most of us, was not of course, always consistent. While he was an evolutionist, he also believed in the free will, and in assisting the weak—the psychologically blind and lame—to function more effectively.”
all I said was that I have read journal articles that use freud’s physiological findings to back up their deterministic view.
Freud was complicated person;-)
very
On Freud and materialism:
“How entirely people have misunderstood Marxian materialism is shown in the common practice of lumping together Marxism and Freud’s psychoanalysis. Actually no sharper contrast can be thought of than that between these two doctrines. Materialism aims at reducing mental phenomena to material causes. Psychoanalysis, on the contrary, deals with mental phenomena as with an autonomous field. While traditional psychiatry and neurology tried to explain all pathological conditions with which they were concerned as caused by definite pathological conditions of some bodily organs, psychoanalysis succeeded in demonstrating that abnormal states of the body are sometimes produced by mental factors. This discovery was the achievement of Charcot and of Josef Breuer, and it was the great exploit of Sigmund Freud to build upon this foundation a comprehensive systematic discipline. Psychoanalysis is the opposite of all brands of materialism. If we look upon it not as a branch of pure knowledge but as a method of healing the sick, we would have to call it a thymological branch (geisteswissenschaftlicher Zweig) of medicine.”
Ludwig von Mises
  1. Psychic Determinism. Freud believed strongly in determinism. He did not believe that any important act “just happened” or was “due to free will” In his view every act or thought or emotion has sufficient causes to determine it, though they may be complex and hard to disentangle.
I know you like misses but don’t trust one source and only use that one source. By a basic interenet search I found the above

sonoma.edu/users/d/daniels/freud_notes.html
On Freud and soul:
“Fraud, creator of psychoanalysis, has great merits in fighting with two dangerous superstitions: materialism, which denies existence of the soul and positivism, which refuses speaking by psychologist on phenomenons, which lie beyond sensory experience” - father Joseph Bochenski en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Maria_Boche%C5%84ski
Freud, of course, seperated “soul” and “body”, but “soul” he treated in strict psychological and no religious terms.
thanks for letting me know
 
I prefer the Freud who was a thinker on culture and civilization. Freud asked the kind of questions that young children ask, but that adults rarely ask themselves.

For example, he wanted to understand why sexuality was such a taboo subject in human civilization. Sex apparently is not taboo, in the animal kingdom.

He wanted to understand the origin of guilt and shame, for example. He was not satisfied with religious explanations for the origins of guilt or shame; he wanted to look at the world as if he were seeing it for the first time.

Because he adopted that naive attitude – taking nothing for granted – he did, in my opinion, reap significant insights that others who do take it for granted, as self-evident, and who don’t look further into it, might not have discovered.

Even from a Catholic perspective, shame is a much broader category than guilt, and often has to do with our sexuality and creaturehood.

For example, a woman who’s water has broken in public may feel ashamed, even though there is nothing sinful about it. A wife might be ashamed of sex with her husband, ashamed of sex in general, even though she is told that sex without the confines of marriage is wholesome and good.

People often have recurring dreams of being naked in public, and being absolutely mortified about it (as opposed to aroused). This, too, is a source of shame that has nothing to do with moral conscience.

Sex is a taboo subject of conversation; it is kept private, largely because people would feel embarrassed if it were made public.

Embarrassment over one’s bodily functions, generally, has nothing to do with moral conscience. Locking the door when we go to the bathroom, and being mortified if a stranger walks in on us, has nothing to do with moral guilt, but with shame and embarrassment.

Freud has his own theories to explain the origin of both conscience and those aspects of taboo and repression that were more pure taboo, not necessarily having any moral justification.

He came up with a theory that sex took energy away from the work of civilization,which also required energy (energy is energy, for him). Thus, he believed that civilization was based on work, not on play, and that the work of civilization was done largely by taking energy from the sphere of sex, and channeling it towards work and other endeavors.

Regarding shame, I believe he somewhere posited that its naturalistic origin may have been at about the time that humans started walking upright, and our sense of smell fell into disuse. A dog does not appear to be disgusted by its own smell, or the smell of other dogs, whereas a human can be. He speculated that, when we started walking upright, we became alienated from our own sense of smell (a dog, who is on all fours, relies largely on smell for sexual arousal, whereas human beings rely largely on sight). Human beings have an entire sense which is thus strongly associated with shame and disgust, which has nothing to do with moral conscience, per se.

It could also be natural in the sense that, if humans found their own excrement pleasant, they would not have instinctively understood that it is toxic.

These are just speculations, on my part and Freud’s, but the fact is that he was willing to ask questions, and explore topics, that remained largely unexplored, because they easily triggered shame and aversion in the human knower.

Finally, of course, he explored the topic of the sexuality of children, another taboo topic. He observed that oral pleasure is largely associated with infancy, where suckling at mother’s breast is both pleasurable and comfortable. A four-year-old child may prolong that, and derive comfort and a feeling of well-being from sucking his or her thumb. Some adults, he observed, never grow out that entirely, and develop “oral fixations” of one kind of another – chewing gum, smoking cigarettes or, yes, sexual fetishes or practices.

He observed that anal pleasure is largely one of the byproducts of potty training, where a child becomes acutely aware of his bodily functions. For example, a potty-trained child, whether he recollects it or not (I, personally, do recollect it) will sometimes deliberately hold off on releasing his bowels, even when he can barely hold it any longer, as it prolongs the pleasure of finally releasing them. Children also show what we would call an “unhealthy” fascination with what comes out. Some apparently posit that clay, or Play-Doh, is a healthy alternative to having a child that enjoys playing with and trying to shape his own poop.

babycenter.com/400_how-do-i-stop-my-toddler-from-playing-with-her-poop_500384_0.bc
 
so all this stuff about being obsessed with sex, his determinism, list could go on, is because of a mis translation?

no disrespect but I kinda trust the two professors who talked about the above over a couple of guys on a forum.

btw one of my teachers used this book to back up what he said

amazon.com/Architects-Culture-Death-Donald-Marco/dp/1586170163
Freud was satanist???

If Freud and his psychoanalysis are so destructive toward our Civilization, morality and religion, why The Catholic Church (before and after Vaticanum II) never publicated official documents, which would condemn Freud?
 
Freud was satanist???

If Freud and his psychoanalysis are so destructive toward our Civilization, morality and religion, why The Catholic Church (before and after Vaticanum II) never publicated official documents, which would condemn Freud?
I didn’t say he was a satanist, all I’m saying is that I strongly disagree with his views and I think his philosophy along with many others have added to this culture of death we have today in this country and throughout the world.

The Catholic Church rarely condemns people and when they do they made sure they are spot on with stuff and know they are wrong. Its the Job of the Church to teach the truth and preach it and when something is a widely held belief that is contrary to the Truth she must speak against it. I would say freud is a small piece of a huge puzzle of things that are against Catholic Teaching. He may have some good things but him along with many contemporary philosophers are going against much of the movement of the Catholic Churches understanding of philosophy theology and the like.
 
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