Friday Abstaining from meat all year?

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Spatulate!:
It’s very interesting to note that the National Conference of Catholic Bishops (the United States’ Episcopal Conference) is currently debating whether to rescind the determination and require all Catholics to abstain from meat on all Fridays of the year. The Bishops are considering that a return to meatless Fridays for all Catholics would be of benefit because:
  • It is an expression of one’s Catholicity; and
  • In reparation for the grave sin of abortion.
Yeah Dude, beautiful! Now we can justify enjoying that lobster, broiled scrod, or batter fried fish every Friday and not just during the week. Real pennance? Give me a break. Now everyone required to fast on Fridays would fit the bill.
 
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rwoehmke:
Yeah Dude, beautiful! Now we can justify enjoying that lobster, broiled scrod, or batter fried fish every Friday and not just during the week. Real pennance? Give me a break. Now everyone required to fast on Fridays would fit the bill.
Lobster? Give me a break. I give up Choclate in Lent, I don’t gourge on Caramel. Catholics should be mature enough to know what would defeat the purpose of the sacrafice.
 
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kmmd:
In this day and age, fasting from meat on Friday is not much of a sacrifice for me. My husband does not practice his faith and so in an effort to both make the penance hurt (at least a little) and as an witness, I try to fix him a wonderful meal on Friday and just eat the salad, the potatoes, the noodles, or whatever, myself.
Do not discount the sacrifices you make for him to come back to the faith! Even with the cheese, they work!
I covered my head in church and prayed that my hubby would convert. He is now in RCIA!
Prayer and a Green Scapular sewed into his pillow. Woo Hoo!

You go girl!!!
 
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KCT:
My Friday sacrifice? The only beverage I have on Fridays is water. I can’t believe how hard it is sometimes! —KCT
I would die without coffee. God Love YOU!
 
My wife & I started abstaining on fridays last year when I read that the church had not really done away with abstinence on Fridays. I can tell you that it is an absolute sacrifice on my part. My body requires red meat at every meal. Preferbly red, bloody beef. Pork is ok, but nothing beats a good greasy hamburger or a bloody t-bone, or even a meatloaf.

Here it is Friday, and I just finished my PBJ sandwich while wishing it was a ham sandwich. I can’t stand chicken or fish. Shellfish gags me and I would rather take a beating than eat a salad. I can’t remember the last time I ate a green vegetable or a piece of fruit. In fact for lent, I am thinking about eating a green vegetable with my supper. Disgusting as it is, I think it would be more of a sacrifice for me than giving up something.
 
Meat on Friday’s

Most Catholics think that Vatican II did away with the requirement of not eating meat on any Friday of the year. Most think it is now just Ash Wednesday and the Fridays of Lent that we cannot eat meat.

This is what the new Code of Canon Law brought out in 1983 says about the matter:

Canon 1251
Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday. Canon Law still requires that Catholics not eat meat on Fridays!

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Since Tomorrow Is Friday . . . Jimmy Akin

First, let’s start with the universal law of the Latin church, as found in the Code of Canon Law:

Can. 1251 Abstinence from eating meat or some other food according to the prescripts of the conference of bishops is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday. Can. 1253 The conference of bishops can determine more precisely the observance of fast and abstinence as well as substitute other forms of penance, especially works of charity and exercises of piety, in whole or in part, for abstinence and fast.

The universal law in the Latin church, therefore, is that Catholics are to abstain from meat on all Fridays except solemnities and on Ash Wednesday. However, canon 1251 allows national conferences of bishops to substitute some other food for meat as the object of abstinence, and canon 1253 allows the national conference to go even further in regulating the practice of abstinence. This means that we, in the U.S., need to look at what the particular law is for the United States and how it may differ from universal law.

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[Q. If my understanding is correct, then Catholics can still put themselves in sin if they do not observe Friday as a day of penance. And if so, why doesn’t the Church inform the everyday Catholic of the teaching? My friends and I are confused. Please help us.](http://%3Cfont%20face=%22Verdana,%20Arial,%20Helvetica,%20sans-serif%22%3E%3Cfont%20size=%222%22%3E%5Burl=%22http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/article.asp?ID=213%22%5D%3Cb%3EQ.%20If%20my%20understanding%20is%20correct,%20then%20Catholics%20can%20still%20put%20themselves%20in%20sin%20if%20they%20do%20not%20observe%20Friday%20as%20a%20day%20of%20penance.%20And%20if%20so,%20why%20doesn%E2%80%99t%20the%20Church%20inform%20the%20everyday%20Catholic%20of%20the%20teaching?%20My%20friends%20and%20I%20are%20confused.%20Please%20help%20us.%3C/b%3E)%between%All of us must do penance: It is divine law, which the Church cannot change, only regulate. In fact, it has prescribed specific days of penance — Fridays and all of Lent — “so that all may be joined together in a certain common practice.”

The present discipline of the Church concerning penance is laid down in canons 1249-1253 of the Code of Canon Law. It is still the law of the Church that on all Fridays, except liturgical solemnities, “abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed.” However, besides the faculty of substituting some other food for meat, the Episcopal Conference can also substitute “in place of abstinence or fasting
… other forms of penance, especially works of charity and exercises of piety.”

This is effectively the case in the United States, as in many other countries. It is therefore sinful to neglect deliberately to do any form of penance on Friday. However, it appears to be the case that the faithful are very poorly informed and catechized about such practices of penance; most people therefore would not in fact be guilty of grave sin.

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wjp984:
are they really going to change the law back?
I haven’t heard any rumblings about this, but I would welcome the return. A more incremental approach to restoring sanctity to the year, though, might be reinstating the “obligation” part of Holy Days of Obligation.
 
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KCT:
My Friday sacrifice? The only beverage I have on Fridays is water. I can’t believe how hard it is sometimes! —KCT
Funny, I’ve been trying this one as well. It is difficult…esp. the coffee part.
 
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SnorterLuster:
My wife & I started abstaining on fridays last year when I read that the church had not really done away with abstinence on Fridays. I can tell you that it is an absolute sacrifice on my part. My body requires red meat at every meal. Preferbly red, bloody beef. Pork is ok, but nothing beats a good greasy hamburger or a bloody t-bone, or even a meatloaf.

Here it is Friday, and I just finished my PBJ sandwich while wishing it was a ham sandwich. I can’t stand chicken or fish. Shellfish gags me and I would rather take a beating than eat a salad. I can’t remember the last time I ate a green vegetable or a piece of fruit. In fact for lent, I am thinking about eating a green vegetable with my supper. Disgusting as it is, I think it would be more of a sacrifice for me than giving up something.
Try a cheese pizza, if it gets you to the point of no resolve left.
 
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OutinChgoburbs:
Try a cheese pizza, if it gets you to the point of no resolve left.
Cheese is good, but we have been ordering mushroom pizzas on Friday. I turn the lights down low and pretend the mushrooms are pepperonis. 😃
 
Andreas Hofer:
I haven’t heard any rumblings about this, but I would welcome the return. A more incremental approach to restoring sanctity to the year, though, might be reinstating the “obligation” part of Holy Days of Obligation.
OBLIGATION :bigyikes: You mean we might actualy have to do something whether we want to or not??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It’s just the Traditionalists trying to get their way, they want to turn the church back to what it was. I bet it has something to do the Rosary manufacturers wanting more business or something. All of our hard earned gains down the toilet, and no more ham sandwiches on Fridays. :crying:

We’ll just see what Cardinal Mahoney has to say about this one.
 
palmas85 said:
OBLIGATION :bigyikes: You mean we might actualy have to do something whether we want to or not??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It’s just the Traditionalists trying to get their way, they want to turn the church back to what it was. I bet it has something to do the Rosary manufacturers wanting more business or something. All of our hard earned gains down the toilet, and no more ham sandwiches on Fridays. :crying:

We’ll just see what Cardinal Mahoney has to say about this one.

Leave it up to a Traditionalist to fail to see the sense in celebrating Ascension on the following Sunday. I suppose it could just be confusion arising from the feast being commonly referred to (in his by-gone childhood a decade ago, mind you) as Ascension Thursday, but I think the greatest hurdle to understanding the phenomenon comes from the Traditionalist’s ability to count to 40. Celebrating feast days on the feast day WOULD be dreadfully inconvenient, though, so it’s probably best just not to bother.
 
Why is it that we as Catholics believe that fish is not meat? And so many of us each a huge piece of fried fish on Fridays as if this is making a sacrifice. Doesn’t sound like the spirit of any tradition of law to me.
 
Andreas Hofer:
Leave it up to a Traditionalist to fail to see the sense in celebrating Ascension on the following Sunday. I suppose it could just be confusion arising from the feast being commonly referred to (in his by-gone childhood a decade ago, mind you) as Ascension Thursday, but I think the greatest hurdle to understanding the phenomenon comes from the Traditionalist’s ability to count to 40. Celebrating feast days on the feast day WOULD be dreadfully inconvenient, though, so it’s probably best just not to bother.
Leave it to a non traditionalist to see attending Mass twice in a week as a hardship or dreadfully inconvienent. 🙂

In some ways I think a lot of our separated brethren are one up on us by going to their worship services twice and sometimes three times a week.

Oh well, I guess the breath of spring that blew through the church convinced us of the need for more personal space and leisure time at the expense the faith. Ease is better, sacrifice unnecessary and lets all go home early 👍
 
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bdsambo:
Why is it that we as Catholics believe that fish is not meat?
In part, it’s because canon law in the Western tradition uses the term “carno” (meat) and the word for fish is “piscis|es.”

In the early Christian centuries, fast and abstinence were very much intertwined, and the objects of abstinence varied. It was Pope Gregory (d 604) who described the practice in Rome as abstention from flesh meat, and those things that are derived from flesh, as milk, cheese, and eggs (in a letter to Saint Augustine and the monks whom he “missioned” to England).

This entered the tradition of Church law. Still there was dispute (in those ages with a different view of how to classify animals than ours) as to what exactly this “carno” was. Generally, carno was associated with the animals thought to have “warm blood.” In some places, water fowl and mammals associated with water (otters, seals, eg.) were not considered “carno” as they were considered “cold blooded.” (Downriver Detroiters have an interesting history with muskrats and Lent.) It was a disputed issue.

However, Eastern traditions included broader abstinence, e.g. from fish and olive oil. An Eastern Catholic would be better equipped to address that.
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bdsambo:
And so many of us each a huge piece of fried fish on Fridays as if this is making a sacrifice. Doesn’t sound like the spirit of any tradition of law to me.
I came from a family which, in my opinion, had an overly zealous appreciation of fish. In Lent, they settled for tuna casseroles and cod cakes rather than the blue plate specials. For me as a child, eating fish was a penance. Especially salted cod, soaked in water overnight, and made into cod cakes. Fortunately, my dog had quite an appreciation of cod cakes. Today, giving up meat and fish would be no penance at all for me. I’ll have to skip soyburgers and cheese, I think.

Now, it is true that the positive (or written) law specifies only a minimum in abstention from meat (carno). However, we do know that the precept to do penance is of divine origin. “Divine law requires the Christian faithful to do penance each in his or her own way” ( canon 1249, in part).

In fact the US Bishops have spoken to this. Refraining from meat on the days of obligatory abstinence is still binding as “law”, but we should strive for more. “Accordingly, since the spirit of penance primarily suggests that we discipline ourselves in that which we enjoy most, to many in our day abstinence from meat no longer implies penance, while renunciation of other things would be more penitential.” ( “On Penance and Abstinence, Pastoral Statement of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops” (November 18, 1966; available at catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=5303)

What has happened is the shift in emphasis from the external regulation of behavior by positive law, to one which recognizes the additional component of that interior spirit of penance. If conscience leads an individual, to abstain from fish or cheese (which they might really enjoy) as well as from meat, then the person, arguably, is morally bound to do so.
 
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cameron_lansing:
I came from a family which, in my opinion, had an overly zealous appreciation of fish. In Lent, they settled for tuna casseroles and cod cakes rather than the blue plate specials. For me as a child, eating fish was a penance. Especially salted cod, soaked in water overnight, and made into cod cakes. o.
we must be related, fish on Friday usually meant fish sticks, and that really is a penance, and if I wanted to get penitential that is what I would be eating, but I don’t think penance requires actually gagging at your food. We also had Finnan Haddie, salt cod boiled, served with boiled potatoes with butter and parsley, and coleslaw.
 
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