Friday Penance poll (What to do about meat on Fridays?)

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Interesting article from the Denver Catholic Register concerning meat on Fridays and/or Friday penance.

**What to do about meat on Fridays?

Forty-six years ago, on the first Sunday of Advent 1966, U.S. bishops announced the end of the mandatory obligation to abstain from “flesh meat” every Friday, even though the requirement to do a Friday penance was never terminated.**

But the long-vanished practice has recently come back in the news. Last year, for example, the Church leadership in England and Wales reinstated the year-round obligation of “no meat on Fridays.” (For the Church at large, the age-old discipline of giving up meat on Good Friday and all the Fridays during Lent has never changed.)

A few weeks ago, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, raised the issue of a year-round obligation as he lamented, “What are the external markers that makes us (Catholics) stand out? Lord knows there used to be tons of them, Friday abstinence from meat was one of them.”

The idea still hits a nerve with ordinary Catholics, too. An informal sample of Catholics in the Denver Archdiocese suggests everybody has an opinion about “meatless Fridays.”

“Initially I thought it was simply an old practice, but my family actually started the practice as well,” said 25-year-old Patricia Morkert, who works for a Web-based marketing company and also holds a theology degree from the University of Dallas. “I thought it was a good idea. It was a very do-able sacrifice that can be applied very easily to my life.”

Her mother, Gloria Morkert, 52, said she didn’t realize that year-round “meatless Fridays” used to be an obligation until, inspired by the urging of Pope John Paul II, she began to study the newly promulgated Catechism of the Catholic Church issued in 1992.

“Oh my gosh, really—every Friday?” she recalled thinking. From then on, her family began to voluntarily abstain from meat on Fridays, and she said “if the bishops catechized us and taught us the reason for it,” she would “fully support” a return to a Friday obligation.

For some, even after the obligation was lifted, the tradition held on for years afterwards.

“I went to Polish Catholic school and the nuns didn’t serve us meat on Fridays anyway, plain and simple,” said Lisa Bessette, 50. To this day, her usual Friday penance is abstaining from meat and breakfast. But she also lives by her mother’s teaching that the higher forms of penance involve “doing things—like works of charity—not giving up things.”

With a laugh, she adds that she’s proud her family also avoided one familiar cultural icon of the “meatless” era: “We never did fishsticks!”

Then there is the startled and negative response of one 30-something Catholic who wanted to remain unnamed: “Wow. I thought (meatless Fridays) ended with Vatican II. Are people really talking about going back to that?”

To put it precisely, Catholics were never completely supposed to leave it.

Advent 1966 marked the change
The big change—some would say, the confusion—began when the new rules became official on the first Sunday of Advent, Nov. 27, 1966.

The following Friday, Dec. 2, 1966, became the first “meat allowed” Friday, a deviation from a Church-wide custom going back centuries.

In a document issued the previous week, U.S. bishops had freed American Catholics from the mandatory obligation to abstain from “flesh meat” every Friday: “we hereby terminate the traditional law of abstinence binding under pain of sin … except as noted above for Lent,” wrote the bishops in a document titled Pastoral Statement on Penance and Abstinence.

Those freeing words, which appeared in the last third of a 2,000-word statement, would govern the thinking of many, if not most, Catholics for the next half-century.

However, largely ignored were the document’s opening words, which referred to “the Church’s constant recognition that all the faithful are required by divine law to do penance.” In principle, Friday penance—done in recognition of Christ’s passion and death—wasn’t changing. It has been the rule for Christians from the first centuries of the Church, what the bishops called “from time immemorial.”

Canon lawyer Carlos Venegas of the Archdiocese of Denver has further pointed out that canon 1250 of the Code of Canon law specifies:

“The penitential days and times in the universal Church are every Friday of the whole year and the season of Lent.”

“That would indicate that some sort of penitence is mandated for every Friday,” Venegas said. He added that canon 1249 “reminds us that divine law binds us to do penance in our own way, indicating that penitence can consist in prayer, performing works of piety and charity, or by self denial in fulfilling our own obligations more faithfully. The observance of fasting and abstinence continues to be held in highest regard, nevertheless, by the Church.”

What say you? (and don’t forget to vote)
 
I gave up meat for all Fridays after this past lent, and I have seen many fruits of this abstinence and fasting during this time. It is appropriate, and relatively easy to do, reminding me of who I am and who I am for. I say it would be good practice for all to do it for the exact reasons that Cardinal Dolan states as well as the fact that most American Catholics that I have encountered no longer observe any penitential practice regularly on Fridays any more.
 
I gave up meat for all Fridays after this past lent, and I have seen many fruits of this abstinence and fasting during this time. It is appropriate, and relatively easy to do, reminding me of who I am and who I am for. I say it would be good practice for all to do it for the exact reasons that Cardinal Dolan states as well as the fact that most American Catholics that I have encountered no longer observe any penitential practice regularly on Fridays any more.
This, except it was three Lents ago.
 
I have tried, on several occasions, to abstain from meat on Fridays. It is a valuable penance, but since it is “optional” I find that it takes very little for me to say, “Oh well, I’ll just do something else instead…” (and how often that “something else” never ends up happening!) But somehow, I manage it through Lent when it is required!

I need the extra “requirement” to make it stick. That doesn’t speak very well for my spiritual maturity, of course, but I’m probably not the only Catholic in need of some extra pushing from time to time on these matters. 😊
 
I have tried, on several occasions, to abstain from meat on Fridays. It is a valuable penance, but since it is “optional” I find that it takes very little for me to say, “Oh well, I’ll just do something else instead…” (and how often that “something else” never ends up happening!) But somehow, I manage it through Lent when it is required!

I need the extra “requirement” to make it stick. That doesn’t speak very well for my spiritual maturity, of course, but I’m probably not the only Catholic in need of some extra pushing from time to time on these matters. 😊
I have made it a “personal requirement” and dont allow myself any other option for exactly the same reason you state above about that something else never happening.
 
When I converted this year I decided to abstain from meat on Fridays. There have been a few Fridays that I’ve forgotten. On those days I’ve given up chocolate.
 
I firmly believe that our US Bishops should return us to manditory meatless Fridays. It would return part of the Catholic identity to us.
Of course it will make some priests uncomfortable in that they would have to tell their congregations “what to do”.
 
I voted for re-instating meatless Fridays.

Our civilization is in dark times. We need as many Catholics doing penance as possible right now.
 
I voted to return to the obligation.

Let’s hope not too many will leave because of it.
 
I have made it a “personal requirement” and dont allow myself any other option for exactly the same reason you state above about that something else never happening.
This is a good idea. I just have that little voice niggling in my head that says, “Oh, but you don’t REALLY have to…how often do you get invited to a party that has things wrapped in bacon?” Or whatever. 😊

It’s sad, but it’s true.

Perhaps this will be a good “New Year’s Resolution” for me! 👍 I try not to do too many or ones that are too general (eat right, exercise more, pray more, etc.) but this is a very specific task that would be for my spiritual benefit.

(Still, I think many other Catholics who struggle in this area would benefit from having it imposed externally. It is a “small” sacrifice but still a sacrifice, and one that is confronted many times during the day on Friday - and may serve as a witness to others. I don’t think it would make too many people leave the Church - except maybe those who have already left in their hearts, but continue to sit in the pews.)
 
We have been doing this for a year (2?). Our usual go-to meal on Friday nights is egg frittata in the summer and grilled cheese in the winter. 😃 It can be difficult if we have a party or event, but there is usually something at a party to eat. Also, depending on the situation, we eat what is served out of charity and respect to our hosts.
 
I believe the current policy is positively, absolutely untenable and simply not pragmatic. It is far too complicated, and when it is explained (rarely in my own experience), it is forgotten.

The reasons for Friday abstinence are not only religious, but sociological. I have stated this all along. An organization MUST have a strong outward identity with public markers of its members to be successful.
 
I voted for the first one, though as is isn’t bad (actually nice for vegetarians and others for whom another penance might be more meaningful).
  1. It’s a straightforward, easy to remember penance.
  2. We will think about it at least three times a day, which is part of the point.
  3. Giving up flesh (meat) reminds us of WHY we do penance on Fridays, namely because that was the day Jesus gave up His flesh on the cross.
  4. No meat on Fridays is seen as a traditionally Catholic thing to do. This helps us to be a people set apart, but it also connects us to other members of the communion of saints who followed this during their earthly lives. It makes one more aware of their “Catholicness”.
  5. While there is some cohesion under current system (everyone should be doing some penance on Fridays) I find that a lot of people are confused and not aware that they need to do ANY penance. Instating a uniform penance for Fridays might help with unity.
*bonus- Sometimes, I think more clearly laid out rules are more likely to be followed, and that getting people used to following little rules (one day without meat is not a big deal at all) might help them grow accustomed to following the Church when it comes to bigger rules (which we all know is an issue right now).

Anyways, that’s my opinion as to what’s most prudent. It’s not such a weighty matter that deciding either way is morally right or wrong.
 
Absolutely we should return and if people already give up meat (vegetarian/vegan), they should absolutely be obliged to do another penance and let’s NOT have it be ‘what you choose’.

Here are my ideas. U.S. bishops, feel free to use them:

Meatless Fridays all round for those who are not vegetarian/vegan/too poor to eat regular meals. Prayer before meal, prayer after meal, and 30 minutes ADDITIONAL prayer for the Pope’s intentions and those of the entire Catholic world.

For those who are too poor: Obligation to pray for the poor souls in purgatory for at least 10 minutes total on Friday unless there is absolutely, positively, no way to do so (person is on a 12 hour work shift, gets violently ill at end of shift and remains violently ill through rest of 12 hours of day). If necessary, prayer for a few seconds at a time with best effort to make through to 10 minutes is acceptable.

For those who are vegetarian/vegan: Two options. Either a proportional amount of alms given to the local church or diocese every Friday and by that I mean if the person has a weekly after taxes, after bill paying for necessary expenses ‘discretionary income’ of say $60, then 1/5 of that should be the alms for the week, i.e., $12. If the person’s discretionary income is only $10 extra a week, then the Friday alms would be $2. If the person has $200 weekly discretionary income, then $40 would be the alms. You get the drift. If the person has absolutely NO income ‘left’, proceed to option two.

Option 2: Time/talent. If the person has TIME but little money, and can leave the home, the Friday obligation should be working one hour at a soup kitchen, a homeless shelter, the parish church (shoveling snow, waxing the pews, doing maintenance work, laundering altar linens, etc.), working to setup, serve, and take down the coffee hour, etc. as the priest sees need. If the person cannot leave the home, prayer at home for an hour, having a perpetual prayer tree for the parish, etc. Any talent the person has can be utilized. Can they sew or knit? Make and sell prayer shawls, mittens, etc. and donate to the poor, or sell and give proceeds to the church. Can they do taxes? Do for the poorer members of the parish for free. Etc. You get the drift.

Either way all people should be doing at least TWO of the required 3 things a Christian should be doing: Prayer, penance, and almsgiving. If you are already poor, you are in a sense living an austere and thus penitential life; add prayer. If you are not poor (but not rich), then have prayer, penance of some time, and/or giving of your time and talent.
 
Require abstinence from meat on all Fridays was my vote.

I do not practice any penance of Fridays outside of Lent precisely because it is not required, but I would if it was required and I know I should anyway and would therefore benefit from the opportunity to just be obedient. Obedience gets me to do a whole lot of good things that I would otherwise not do. I think a lot of people are like me in this respect.

Besides, it will help to bring back a stronger sense of shared Catholic identity.

Just my thoughts…
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Edited to add: wow, just read thru the other posts in this thread and see that I am not alone in my thoughts or struggles with this one! Interesting. :o
 
What say you? (and don’t forget to vote)
I’m for meatless Fridays and 3 o’clock prayers.

The thing is, a lot of young people don’t know the meaning of “penance” or “sacrifice” in their theological context. They don’t understand the power for good of that resides in these personal acts.
 
I voted for the first one, though as is isn’t bad (actually nice for vegetarians and others for whom another penance might be more meaningful).
  1. It’s a straightforward, easy to remember penance.
  2. We will think about it at least three times a day, which is part of the point.
  3. Giving up flesh (meat) reminds us of WHY we do penance on Fridays, namely because that was the day Jesus gave up His flesh on the cross.
  4. No meat on Fridays is seen as a traditionally Catholic thing to do. This helps us to be a people set apart, but it also connects us to other members of the communion of saints who followed this during their earthly lives. It makes one more aware of their “Catholicness”.
  5. While there is some cohesion under current system (everyone should be doing some penance on Fridays) I find that a lot of people are confused and not aware that they need to do ANY penance. Instating a uniform penance for Fridays might help with unity.
*bonus- Sometimes, I think more clearly laid out rules are more likely to be followed, and that getting people used to following little rules (one day without meat is not a big deal at all) might help them grow accustomed to following the Church when it comes to bigger rules (which we all know is an issue right now).

Anyways, that’s my opinion as to what’s most prudent. It’s not such a weighty matter that deciding either way is morally right or wrong.
Really good post.

It is such a small sacrifice, and serves to remind us of our Lords passion. It is also a good practice of Catholic unity in the world.

Also lost on so many US Catholics today is that, while abstaining from meat is not currently required, some form of Friday penance is indeed still required by all.

I believe that a return to mandatory meatless Friday’s is a good idea.
 
My personal opinion is that whatever they do, change the rules, keep the rules, whatever, just be sure that this set of rules is clearly and consistently promulgated and taught everywhere and it’s level of sin made clear and its exceptions made clear. Then, don’t change it for a really, really, super long time, so everything stays clear.

Right now, if there is some rule in the USA under penalty of sin to do penance every Friday of the year, it is well concealed at the parish level and in the AAA section on this site. Here is an example of how concealed such a rule is, but from the EWTN site.
 
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