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I listened a bit to “Apostle” Monson in the April General Conference. Link is here.
It’s interesting that he quotes Christ saying (of missionaries)
“Go ye and therefore and teach all nations”
The Catholic Church established by Christ has been teaching all nations for 2000 years.
He then says to the LDS faithful,
“Search the scriptures with diligence”
By his admission, this includes the BoM.
Would diligence not include digging up Hill Cumorah?
We can reason that the BoM is not scripture as there never was a battle on the Hill Cumorah. If it was true, Monson would be advocating with all authority and diligence to dig it up and show the world. He does not because he knows that there is nothing there and in doing so, he is presents falsely to the Mormon faithful that the BoM is true.
Yes or No?
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TexanKnight
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Nothing hostile at all…stop playing victim.
You do not need it excavated. Satellite views have conformed nothing is there. When will you start RCIA?
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TexanKnight
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That is the problem. He knows the book is false. He knows there is nothing under Cumorah. For years, every prophet and apostle claimed the cumorah in NY was THE Cumorah As soon as they bought the land and determined there was no evidence of the battles, they started claiming that they do not know where the real one is.
Like all lds prophets, they are right…until proven wrong…then they were not wrong, they were just expressing their opinions
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ChristopheL
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Disbelief. I thought people were raised into that insanity, it still boggles my mind that people actually convert to the false (and honestly laughable) drivel of an obvious 19th century charlatan, after searching for it.
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SinnersAnonymus
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I am not sure if my reply will be noticed in this flood of responses but…
As far as your friend’s depression goes, it is very possible he was undergoing some kind of serious spiritual trials and/or attacks on his faith. It is not uncommon for these to miraculously disappear (at least that particular attack) when embracing something that would lead you astray. I have discovered many die-hard converts to New Age and the Occult due to this phenomenon.
People need to understand what it is they are embracing and that the evil-one will try anything possible to lead people astray. The fallen angels tend to leave people alone once they have been led astray but not always.
Be there for your friend and understand he is likely up against something he cannot even conceive of and be patient. There are enough holes in Mormonism (something I would argue resembles more of the occult) that if you do your research they will be reveled in time to your friend if he choses to open his eyes. I would recommend other Catholics who are supportive of this decision to be more cautious. It sounds like they don’t know their friend is joining essentially a cult. We have gotten far too relativistic about faith in our generation and there are lies out there that are not harmless.
As far as your friend’s depression goes, it is very possible he was undergoing some kind of serious spiritual trials and/or attacks on his faith. It is not uncommon for these to miraculously disappear (at least that particular attack) when embracing something that would lead you astray. I have discovered many die-hard converts to New Age and the Occult due to this phenomenon.
People need to understand what it is they are embracing and that the evil-one will try anything possible to lead people astray. The fallen angels tend to leave people alone once they have been led astray but not always.
Be there for your friend and understand he is likely up against something he cannot even conceive of and be patient. There are enough holes in Mormonism (something I would argue resembles more of the occult) that if you do your research they will be reveled in time to your friend if he choses to open his eyes. I would recommend other Catholics who are supportive of this decision to be more cautious. It sounds like they don’t know their friend is joining essentially a cult. We have gotten far too relativistic about faith in our generation and there are lies out there that are not harmless.
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It’s been reported that 75% of Mormons who join the Church leave within the first year after the teachings move from “milk to meat”. The LDS Church hides some of the bizzare beliefs such as one becoming a God until after a member has been added.
This contrasts with the Catholic RCIA process whereby a person desiring to join the Church goes through nine months of education on the Catholic Church beliefs before joining. All meat…all milk…very full before joining.
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RebeccaJ
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USCCB has prescribed a year long catechumenate. Our Bishop has instructed all parishes to implement year round. Difficult for the small mission parishes who typically have one person doing everything RCIA. So, volunteer in your RCIA ministry! 
But yes, it is about bringing people to Christ, in freedom. Freedom requires full disclosure.
But yes, it is about bringing people to Christ, in freedom. Freedom requires full disclosure.
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Miriam1947
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I tried watching. I could literally feel my brain synapses shut down. I did, though, get a very good nap out of it.
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RebeccaJ
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I made the mistake of helping a family member at their home on Saturday morning. Should have scheduled better, but, there I was, Mormon conference turned up loud. The sing song intonation of the speakers still gives me the creeps. I got the heck out as soon as I could.I tried watching. I could literally feel my brain synapses shut down. I did, though, get a very good nap out of it.
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ChristopheL
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Maybe they count the dead the baptize? :whacky: They can go back 95 years or so.
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Interestingly, the 15 million has nothing to do with the increase in missionary numbers, as it was bound to reach 15 million around this time of the year, at least based on the numbers from previous years:
mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31540
Well I assume that they remove the names of those that request it to be done. There are plenty of inactive members that are probably also included in the 15 million (I know that in my former ward, there were more inactive elders than active). There are also people like myself that simply leave and don’t request anything. There are most likely only around 4-5 million active LDS worldwide.
Some LDS will naturally view the 15 million number as a demonstration of the church being true. Unfortunately, there are a number of other churches with higher growth rates and large numbers, started after or around the same time that the LDS Church was founded.
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I have to wonder if they factored in the over reporting of the 1 million in Brazil.Interestingly, the 15 million has nothing to do with the increase in missionary numbers, as it was bound to reach 15 million around this time of the year, at least based on the numbers from previous years:
mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31540
Well I assume that they remove the names of those that request it to be done. There are plenty of inactive members that are probably also included in the 15 million (I know that in my former ward, there were more inactive elders than active). There are also people like myself that simply leave and don’t request anything. There are most likely only around 4-5 million active LDS worldwide.
Some LDS will naturally view the 15 million number as a demonstration of the church being true. Unfortunately, there are a number of other churches with higher growth rates and large numbers, started after or around the same time that the LDS Church was founded.
That died off pretty quickly as I remember.
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i do not believe that christians profess a faith that requires anyone other than Jesus Christ as there Savior.
consequently, when mormons declare that since the time of joseph smith’s revelation, faith in joseph smith is necessary for salvation, mormons do not fit my definition of christian.
that definition being that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all mankind, not just those humans who lived before joseph smith. even those who lived before joseph smith and after the mormon imagined "great apostasy, whom Jesus was not able to give His truth to (again according to mormons).
when it comes down to it, that is what is most offputting about mormon teachings. i cannot accept the idea that some other man besides Jesus Christ is necessary for my salvation.
in the end, only one Man offered His life for my salvation and it is, for me, an absurdity for people to go around claiming that there is another man who i MUST believe in if i am to be save. especially in light of the fact that joseph smith did not offer His life for my salvation. joseph smith simply declared himself the prophet of salvation for a new dispensation. whoopee, big deal, so did bahaullah and so did jim jones and so did david koresh and a myriad of other false claimants.
Jesus said, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life”. but mormons say, no joseph smith possesses what i need for salvation. when i evaluate the claims of Jesus and the claims of joseph smith, only the claims of Jesus ring true.
consequently, when mormons declare that since the time of joseph smith’s revelation, faith in joseph smith is necessary for salvation, mormons do not fit my definition of christian.
that definition being that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all mankind, not just those humans who lived before joseph smith. even those who lived before joseph smith and after the mormon imagined "great apostasy, whom Jesus was not able to give His truth to (again according to mormons).
when it comes down to it, that is what is most offputting about mormon teachings. i cannot accept the idea that some other man besides Jesus Christ is necessary for my salvation.
in the end, only one Man offered His life for my salvation and it is, for me, an absurdity for people to go around claiming that there is another man who i MUST believe in if i am to be save. especially in light of the fact that joseph smith did not offer His life for my salvation. joseph smith simply declared himself the prophet of salvation for a new dispensation. whoopee, big deal, so did bahaullah and so did jim jones and so did david koresh and a myriad of other false claimants.
Jesus said, “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life”. but mormons say, no joseph smith possesses what i need for salvation. when i evaluate the claims of Jesus and the claims of joseph smith, only the claims of Jesus ring true.
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