You can love a person without loving what they do. Your problem is that you qualify a human being as if they are “a gay person” and that’s it. No, that’s one part of a person. I don’t label a person a “gay person” or “this person” or “that person”. My son is who he is. I love him. I don’t love his behavior. He doesn’t love the fact that I’m a Christian and have a relationship with God, but he loves me anyway.
You’re not condemning a person for being a person, you’re condemning a person because of a part of them, that part being that they’re homosexual. You telling them it’s wrong, that a “part of who they are” is wrong, is condemning it. Also, i don’t “qualify” people as anything more than people, I’m just pointing out that what you’re doing DOES actually count as condemnation, regardless of whether or not you think it is.
You just don’t get it. Even the Church believes homosexual behavior is “disordered”. It doesn’t condemn a chaste person who has SSA. And neither do I condemn my son for being attracted to men. But, I don’t agree with his lifestyle of engaging in that behavior.
Of course it’s not wrong, and congratulations for finally recognizing that you are condemning his lifestyle. That wasn’t hard, was it?
Okay, smart guy.
Your contention was that I was condemning HIM, which is not true.hmmm…Okay, smart guy.
I’ve never denied condemning his lifestyle. As a matter of fact, I’ve repeated it in every post
It’s clear that you are pro-homosexual. Fine. But, don’t try to force me to accept your idea of condemnation. My son doesn’t. Why do you feel the need to? And by the way, he is married and I love the man he’s married to. I love him because he loves my son and treats him very well. He makes him very happy. At the end of the day, I love my son - no matter what.
I’ve never asked him to change, while he understands my feelings on the issue. I don’t expect him to tell me to be an atheist either. He’s an adult now and has to choose his own path in life, but whatever he chooses to do, I will still love him.
Wow, sounds like I’m an open-minded loving parent. Imagine that.
Your son IS a homosexual, right? And homosexuality is just plain wrong? you condemned him, then said you didnt condemn him, just the act, and then you just deny that you denied condemning him. It’s not “my idea” of condemnation, it’s what condemnation IS. I’m happy that you raised a son who’s willing to overlook the fact that you can’t accept him, but will love you anyway. Not many people can forge that special kind of relationship.
Quite profound
If you want to use labels, yes he is. If you want to call him my son who happens to be homosexual, that is more accurate. The difference is that you only see a person as “homosexual” or “heterosexual” or “black” or “white”. That’s how you seem to define a person. I don’t agree with that. It’s useful for identification, but not when you are describing what a person is by nature. That’s why you can’t see the difference in condemning behavior versus condemning people.
The ‘who’ one is, is a human being, one of God’s Children… and sometimes, one of our children too.I’m a little dense this morning. Can you explain this?
Thanks.
Thanks for the explanation. I’ve always told my children that no matter what they do or how they live their life - criminal, immoral or otherwise - I would always love them and be there for them. If they rob a bank I expect them to have to answer for that decision.
As an adopted homosexual myself, I think you’re mistaken.Quite profound
If you want to use labels, yes he is. If you want to call him my son who happens to be homosexual, that is more accurate. The difference is that you only see a person as “homosexual” or “heterosexual” or “black” or “white”. That’s how you seem to define a person. I don’t agree with that. It’s useful for identification, but not when you are describing what a person is by nature. That’s why you can’t see the difference in condemning behavior versus condemning people.
I don’t just see a “black” person as defining who they are. There’s far more characteristics to define a person. I only see “people”, who happen to be black, or white or heterosexual or homosexual. God doesn’t look at people that way and neither do I.
I adopted my son. I adopted him regardless of his past and regardless of what he chose to do or how to live. That’s what love is. I chose him, not because he was born to me, but because I accepted him as a boy who needed a father and I chose to love him, no matter what, whether he chose men or women, drugs or not, crime or not. And he adopted me as his father, as a Christian, and a person who chose to love him. You can’t get much more accepting than that. He adopted my wife and I as his parents who are relatively normal people who are heterosexual.
You are out of your league in discussing this with me.
Yes, he was 16 and? The problem I have and it seems like you do too, is that we assume that all parents and homosexual children have the same situations and are supposed to relate the same way. For me and him it’s rather simple. I guess for others it is not.
No, I don’t have that problem, really. I know some friends whose parents would beat them for being gay, myself, I’m fortunate that my father would accept anything i throw at him, so long as it didn’t hurt anyone. That said, I’m aware that the gay thing is foreign to him, so i don’t (and I’m not a flamer, or super active in the lifestyle) throw it in his face, but in the times that i need to talk to him about it, he’s there for me, no questions asked. The only reason i assumed your kid was older when you adopted him, was because you said you did it regardless of his past. I was adopted from birth, you learn to pick up on things like that, no “and” about it.
I’m sorry if it seemed harsh. Sometimes I can word things differently. I was trying to sum it up in short, concise statements and it probably did seem harsh.
must have edited after i quoted you. In regards to your question, I have one for you.
That right there, I can totally respect, man.
Well, obviously I wouldn’t beat my son. Yes, being gay is a bit foreign to me. But, like you, he doesn’t throw it in my face either. My son shares with me his feelings, more than even some of my other children.
