It’s not a big deal in that it does not invalidate the Consecration.Maybe I’ve heard this before and just didn’t notice. Today I went to another church for mass because there was simply no parking available at my own. The priest at this other church used the word “friends” instead of the word “disciples” during the Eucharistic prayer. I found it unsettling, so I thought I’d come here and ask for some opinions on the matter. Is this a big deal?
The Eucharistic Prayer for Masses of Reconciliation has nothing to do with a reconciliation service (at which there would be no EP since reconciliation is not celebrated at a Mass)It’s not a big deal in that it does not invalidate the Consecration.
It is a big deal in that it is a sign of ignorance of the liturgical norms or outright defiance against the authority of the Bishop or Church.
I will agree if this was a Mass for a Parish Reconciliation service then it would be acceptable. But I take it was the Mass for Ash Wednesday.
Father, from the beginning of time you have always done what is good for man so that we may be holy as you are holy.
Look with kindness on your people gathered here before you; send forth the power of your Spirit so that these gifts may become for us the body and blood of your beloved Son, Jesus the Christ, in whom we have become your sons and daughters.
When we were lost and could not find the way to you, you loved us more than ever; Jesus, your Son, innocent and without sin, gave himself into our hands and was nailed to a cross. Yet before he stretched out his arms between heaven and earth in the everlasting sign of your covenant, he desired to celebrate the Paschal feast in the company of his disciples.
While they were at supper, he took bread and gave you thanks and praise. He broke the bread, gave it to his disciples, and said:
Take this, all of you, and eat it;
this is my body which will be given up for you.
At the end of the meal, knowing that he was to reconcile all things in himself by the blood of his cross, he took the cup filled with wine. Again he gave you thanks, handed the cup to his** friends**, and said:
Take this, all of you, and drink from it;
this is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven. Do this in memory of me.
We do this in memory of Jesus Christ, our Passover and our lasting peace. We celebrate his death and resurrection and look for the coming of that day when he will return to give us the fullness of joy. Therefore we offer you, God ever faithful and true, the sacrifice which restores man to your friendship.
Father, look with love on those you have called to share in the one sacrifice of Christ. By the power of your Holy Spirit make them one body, healed of all division.
Keep us all in communion of mind and heart with {Benedict} our Pope, {name of local bishop} our bishop. Help us to work together for the coming of your kingdom, until at last we stand in your presence to share the life of the saints, in the company of the Virgin Mary and the apostles, and of our departed brothers and sisters whom we commend to your mercy.
sourceThen, freed from every shadow of death, we shall take our place in the new creation and give you thanks through Christ, our risen Lord.
I don’t believe that R1 and R2 are intended for use at regular Parish masses. But then I have not gone and looked up the intended use of R1 and R2. However R1 and R2 in my Missal both say Disciples.The Eucharistic Prayer for Masses of Reconciliation has nothing to do with a reconciliation service (at which there would be no EP since reconciliation is not celebrated at a Mass)
There are two EPs for masses of reconciliation. They can be used at any mass with the tone of the mass is reconciliation…or at any mass for that matter if the priest chooses to use it. One of our priests uses it very often.
The prayer in question is found on page 1122-1127 in the Roman Missal (aka the Sacramentary).
R1 says “disciples” for the consecration of the host and “friends” for the consecration of the chalice.I don’t believe that R1 and R2 are intended for use at regular Parish masses. But then I have not gone and looked up the intended use of R1 and R2. However R1 and R2 in my Missal both say Disciples.
??? Mine says Disciples in both places for R1. ??? Printing error?? Not good.R1 says “disciples” for the consecration of the host and “friends” for the consecration of the chalice.
As for when R1 and R2 may be used: “The texts may also be used after the Holy Year in Masses when the mystery of reconciliation is a special theme of the celebration.” (Eucharistic Prayers for Masses of Reconciliation, Introduction, n. 2)
Are you looking in a missalette or missal or the Sacramentary???? Mine says Disciples in both places for R1. ??? Printing error?? Not good.
What edition (year, etc.) is your Sacramentary? Mine is the 1985. I’ll check it when I get home.??? Mine says Disciples in both places for R1. ??? Printing error?? Not good.
Jesus didn’t have friends?There are Masses for Children which uses the word friends. I heard this at one Parish and almost laughed. I know that’s bad, but come on - friends?
I’m looking at the Roman Missal. date? I have to look later.Are you looking in a missalette or missal or the Sacramentary?
I have “the second typical edition of the Missale Romanum (1975), March 1, 1985, for use in the diocese of the United States of America. Published by Authority of the Bishop’s Committee on the Liturgy, National Conference of Catholic Bishops.” It was published by Catholic Book Publishing Corp., N.Y.I’m looking at the Roman Missal. date? I have to look later.
You own a sacramentary? How come? Just curious.What edition (year, etc.) is your Sacramentary? Mine is the 1985. I’ll check it when I get home.
I need one for my work, that’s why I own one.You own a sacramentary? How come? Just curious.
You kind of answered it: curiosity! But it’s deeper than that. I own one for a few reasons…You own a sacramentary? How come? Just curious.