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I thought it might be interesting to discuss the idea of friendship in a Christian context, using the following points of reference:
  • What precisely is genuine “friendship,” and what is a true “friend”?
  • Do I have any “friends” in the sense described by my answer to the above question?
  • Is genuine and lasting friendship actually possible in our time and culture?
I look forward to everyone’s thoughts on this. God bless.

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Okay…I’ll go first:
What precisely is genuine “friendship,” and what is a true “friend”?
Genuine friendship is a relationship based upon mutual respect, admiration, and loyalty that provides companionship, support, and fellowship to those involved.

A true friend is someone who “gets us” (and whom we get), who is a loyal companion, partner in conversation and life, and who has our back no matter what (loyalty is obviously primary to friendship).
Do I have any “friends” in the sense described by my answer to the above question?
No.
Is genuine and lasting friendship actually possible in our time and culture?
I don’t know. When I consider friendship, I think, for example, of C.S. Lewis and J.R.R Tolkien, two authors and professors of literature who were friends during all of their adult lives, through thick and thin, despite many trials and obstacles, to the very end. I can’t say that I’ve ever had a friend in this sense.

Nowadays, people get married, move away, get a job in another state, switch churches or denominations or personal beliefs—and friendship is generally the first casualty of such life changes. I’ve had perhaps four close friendships (or what I considered friendships, at least) in my lifetime. Where are these people now? Married, moved away, etc., etc., etc. On to other things. So maintaining a close lifelong friendship seems rather unlikely to me at this point.

What are your experiences and thoughts on these matters?

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What precisely is genuine “friendship,” and what is a true “friend”?
Relating to one another with Agape Love.
Do I have any “friends” in the sense described by my answer to the above question?
Yes, a few.
Is genuine and lasting friendship actually possible in our time and culture?
Yes, but its certainly not getting any easier.
Chuck
 
I have formed close and lasting friendships with a few people in my life that have been as long as 35 years. We’ve been around the block together, in good times and bad, had a few disagreements, always forgave each other, never let jealousy or relationships with other people interfere with our friendship, and have given each other needed space. We’ve never tried to change each other or interfere in each other’s lives. We have tried to be honest with each other. We always respect each other. But here is the key: our friendships are spiritually-based. My true friends that I speak of have a love of God that is freely shared. We talk about Him, study spiritual things together, pray together, sometimes go to Mass together–He is ever-present in our relationships with each other. We mentor each other spiritually. That is why I can say I have a few true friends, and why our friendships have lasted so long. Yes, it is possible to have such friends, and I thank God for them. They are among the best of His gifts to me.
 
I have formed close and lasting friendships with a few people in my life that have been as long as 35 years. We’ve been around the block together, in good times and bad, had a few disagreements, always forgave each other, never let jealousy or relationships with other people interfere with our friendship, and have given each other needed space. We’ve never tried to change each other or interfere in each other’s lives. We have tried to be honest with each other. We always respect each other. But here is the key: our friendships are spiritually-based. My true friends that I speak of have a love of God that is freely shared. We talk about Him, study spiritual things together, pray together, sometimes go to Mass together–He is ever-present in our relationships with each other. We mentor each other spiritually. That is why I can say I have a few true friends, and why our friendships have lasted so long. Yes, it is possible to have such friends, and I thank God for them. They are among the best of His gifts to me.
You’re a very fortunate individual, Carolyn. God bless.

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I thought it might be interesting to discuss the idea of friendship in a Christian context, using the following points of reference:
  • What precisely is genuine “friendship,” and what is a true “friend”?
  • Do I have any “friends” in the sense described by my answer to the above question?
  • Is genuine and lasting friendship actually possible in our time and culture?
I look forward to everyone’s thoughts on this. God bless.

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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True friendship does not need analysis. You should simply know if someone is a true friend to you.
 
You are then in a sad state if you are unable to tell who is a true friend or not.
As I posted, as far as I am able to tell, I have no true friends. I’m not sure what to do about that, or even if anything should be done. I don’t think I really believe in friendship any more. That’s me being honest.

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What precisely is genuine “friendship,” and what is a true “friend”?
From the Book of Proverbs:
“A friend loves at all times, and a brother is born for adversity.” [17:17]
“A man of many companions may come to ruin, but there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother.” [18:24]
“Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.” [27:6]
“As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.” [27:17]
I think true friendship has always been a gift of God. I think the quality and intensity of a friendship depends on the degree to which it directs itself and reaches toward the light of the Divine Love. Friendship, like romantic love, separated from this call simply devolves into a merely human (and thereby limited) kind of love, directed ultimately only to worldly ends of mutual benefaction or self-actualization. Friendship that is graced and touched by God’s life is, on the other hand, a powerful bond that can rival the intensity of marriage.
“Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.” [John 15:13]
From this and many other verses, we see that the ultimate calling of friendship is one of mutual sacrifice and love. I think this goes far deeper than the everyday conception of friends, at least amongst males in the US, which often is little more than a hang-out buddy or someone with whom you have regular, casual conversation.

Remaining silent on female friendships, I think there is generally a lack of intensity and affection among male friends in the US. I happen to think that true friends ought to always be on an adventure of mutual discovery, celebrating the happy God-given uniqueness of the other and bearing patiently with our human faults; friends ought to deeply know each others’ hearts. Unfortunately, among many men in the US, there is a barrier of homophobia to developing meaningful and loving friendships; any instance of physical or emotional closeness is immediately singled out as something only ‘homos’ do and subsequently quashed.

I think the Christian pastors and teachers in the US have a great opportunity to change society’s perspective on friendships for the better, given the beauty of friendship found in the biblical and historical tradition of Christianity. This silly homophobia among men ought to be called out for the absurdity it is by Christian men.
Do I have any “friends” in the sense described by my answer to the above question?
God has blessed me with several. To this day, we keep in contact and remind each other of how much we mean to one another.
Is genuine and lasting friendship actually possible in our time and culture?
I certainly think so. While people in general change environments much more often than in the past, on the other side of things, many technological advancements have made it possible to keep in contact with friends (e.g. Skype and cell phones). I do agree with an above poster, however, that the growing trend of superficiality and instant gratification in developed nations can only spell difficulty for the formation of meaningful and loving friendships.

Friendship isn’t something that ‘just happens’; if it truly is called to mutual sacrifice and love, then it requires us to work at it. I tend to take as a general rule that, if you and your friend haven’t found something about each other that really bothers the other or if you’ve never had to work past difficulties with each other, your friendship probably isn’t very deep yet. There really have been times when I would have liked to punch my best friend in the face; I know I’ve frustrated him just as badly at times. 🙂
As I posted, as far as I am able to tell, I have no true friends. I’m not sure what to do about that, or even if anything should be done. I don’t think I really believe in friendship any more. That’s me being honest.
I hope you don’t finally give up friendship altogether, brother. Remember that, just like anything of value, friendship does take work, often requiring us to move beyond our zone of comfort. If at any time you find a “seed” of friendship with people you know, have courage and try to develop it. Interject yourself in a loving, not invasive, way into your acquaintance’s life; make it a point to have meaningful conversation with him or simply find something fun you both would like to do. I think you’ll find that most people really are humbled and joyous when another person says by their actions “I value your presence in my life; let’s get to know each other better”. Remember, mature friendship is about mutual sacrifice, not what emotional sustenance you can get out of it.

Analogous to Jesus’ teaching that we must give up our lives to save them, we cannot cling to a friend for sustenance, or the friendship will wither and die. Christian friendship truly lives when the friends give themselves to each other, united by their common love of God.
 
Chris,

Thanks for your thoughts, which I found quite insightful. You’re very fortunate to have such friends. God bless.

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