From a Penitent Reformer

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“I confess that in my first parish assignment in 1977 (I was not ordained but was in charge for a month until the new pastor would arrive), I stopped the second collection, told the people they could receive Communion standing (rather than at the communion rail kneeling as they done had until then), began the Kiss of Peace, and hid the bells. For these sins, and more, I am now sincerely sorry.”

Where Did We Go Wrong?
Of all the changes in the celebration of Mass that took place after Vatican II, I believe placing the celebrant and the congregation face to face was the most wide-ranging in its effect. No longer focussed in one direction – toward God – clergy and laity have turned inward toward themselves, and experience a crisis in both lay and religious identity and vocation, not to mention the poverty of self-centered music. Seeing each other has not always been a pretty sight, and this has contributed to the lobbing of tomatoes in both directions as power struggles now seem to take up much of our ecclesial energy. We are looking at one another, at the many ministers and musicians, but we are not seeing Him. (I no longer look communicants in the eye but keep my eyes on Him, hoping they will too.) Regarding the priest as “entertainer” may account for the “vocation crisis”.

“Changes meant to foster “active participation” are not working. The participation that counts must be internal and spiritual. External action cannot achieve it. “You can lead a horse to water…” I remember the Latin liturgy as highly involving. In order to follow it, you had to pay attention.”

“The usual explanation given for the increase in Eucharistic devotional practices from the 9th century on is that the Mass became remote from people, causing them to generate these extra-liturgical means for more satisfying religious experience. But what if the “remote” liturgy actually created internal spiritual growth that obtained expression in those devotions, and their sharp decline after the liturgical renewal following Vatican II is the consequence of a desiccated internal spiritual life?”

Excerpts from:
adoremus.org/1105TruePresence.html
 
It’s well-known that Pope Benedict is no fan of the priest facing the people. He comments quite a bit on the topic in The Ratzinger Report. He indicates that he believes it has focused our attention on man rather than God.

Perhaps we will see a return to the priest facing the tabernacle during mass. Let’s all pray!
 
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UKcatholicGuy:
It’s well-known that Pope Benedict is no fan of the priest facing the people. He comments quite a bit on the topic in The Ratzinger Report. He indicates that he believes it has focused our attention on man rather than God.

Perhaps we will see a return to the priest facing the tabernacle during mass. Let’s all pray!
Benedict also comments on this in The Spirit of the Liturgy. However, from what I can gather, he feels mandating a return to priest and people facing the same direction would be too disruptive. He thinks a simpler solution would be to order a large crucifix placed in the center of the altar. That way, both priest and people would be facing the crucified Savior.

Of course, he wrote that book as a Cardinal. Now that he has the power, maybe he’ll reconsider and actually make the change. I agree, let’s all pray. :gopray2:
 
Dr. Bombay:
Benedict also comments on this in The Spirit of the Liturgy. However, from what I can gather, he feels mandating a return to priest and people facing the same direction would be too disruptive. He thinks a simpler solution would be to **order a large crucifix placed in the center of the altar. ** That way, both priest and people would be facing the crucified Savior.

Of course, he wrote that book as a Cardinal. Now that he has the power, maybe he’ll reconsider and actually make the change. I agree, let’s all pray. :gopray2:
G-d that would be cool. I can just imagine the response of our “liturgy coordinators”…
 
Dear all,

Totus iunctus, totus adversus Deus in votum. Now there’s a “reform” I could live with. No longer would it be that new church buildings would be designed like amphitheatres. No longer would people mimic the priest blindly. No longer would there be a lot of those things which eat away at the liturgy like so many rodents gnawing at our spiritual life-line.

No, I don’t think the NO is invalid… and I go to Mass every day in the vernacular… but all the same, I’d like to see a change toward greater reverence, clearer symbolism, and participation of mind and spirit instead of body. Gladly would I participate in a Mass with the priest facing the same direction as the congregation. Gladly would I build a replacement reredos with my own two hands free of charge for any priest who asked it of me.

There is but ONE focus in the Mass, and that is God. In Mass we worship Him, thank Him, and are united to Him (Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity) in the Eucharist. Our unity with each other comes about primarily by our shared action in worship and is not the focus of the Mass… indeed, it has become a distraction from the intended focus in some cases.

Anyway, agree or disagree… I’m all for a reform of the “reform”.

God bless,

Agricola
 
If the Pope changes the liturgy to have the Priest face the altar and not us (which I am not in disagreement with), that would be the perfect time to via doctrine stop all the hand holding in the Lord’s Prayer - that too is supposed to be “Me-to-God”, not “We the people”…
 
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awalt:
If the Pope changes the liturgy to have the Priest face the altar and not us
Pope Benedict doesn’t have to change anything to have the priest face the altar — the priest already does, as do all of us no matter what side of the altar we have our places.

If one faces the congregation, or faces the back wall, instead of facing the altar, one is looking in an entirely wrong direction.

The altar of God is the center of life.

karen marie
 
Dr. Bombay:
Benedict also comments on this in The Spirit of the Liturgy. However, from what I can gather, he feels mandating a return to priest and people facing the same direction would be too disruptive. He thinks a simpler solution would be to order a large crucifix placed in the center of the altar. That way, both priest and people would be facing the crucified Savior.

Of course, he wrote that book as a Cardinal. Now that he has the power, maybe he’ll reconsider and actually make the change. I agree, let’s all pray. :gopray2:
I truly hope so, but in the beaurocratic maze of the Vatican, and with most of the Bishops saying things are fine and dandy in their dioceses I’m not really expecting too much from the Holy Father on this one.
 
I sincerely hope he disallows crate altars. It isn’t like our parish cannot afford a fixed altar (we are the diocese’s biggest moneymaking parish), it is that we prefer the blasted wooden box with the banners behind it.

In addition, I hope he does something about ris-a-fix display in Mass. At my school, that is what is behind the altar during Mass.
 
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kmknapp:
Pope Benedict doesn’t have to change anything to have the priest face the altar — the priest already does, as do all of us no matter what side of the altar we have our places.

If one faces the congregation, or faces the back wall, instead of facing the altar, one is looking in an entirely wrong direction.

The altar of God is the center of life.

karen marie
I agree. I have noticed that liturgies are most reverent when the attention of both priest and people is focused on the action at the altar, not on each other.
 
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palmas85:
I truly hope so, but in the beaurocratic maze of the Vatican, and with most of the Bishops saying things are fine and dandy in their dioceses I’m not really expecting too much from the Holy Father on this one.
I never expect much from anyone. That way I’m never disappointed. 😦
 
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Servus Pio XII:
I sincerely hope he disallows crate altars. It isn’t like our parish cannot afford a fixed altar (we are the diocese’s biggest moneymaking parish), it is that we prefer the blasted wooden box with the banners behind it.

In addition, I hope he does something about ris-a-fix display in Mass. At my school, that is what is behind the altar during Mass.
Not felt banners, I hope? Those went out in the 70s along with abstract stained glass windows and “Peace is Flowing Like a River” type songs.

Perhaps your pastor didn’t get the memo?

Stupid memo-maker. I think a lot of pastors didn’t get it. :nope:
 
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