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A little about myself… my name is Jordan Woods and I’m from California. I was born and raised a Christian my entire life and around the age of 19-20 I started questioning and doubting the existence of God and now I’d most likely be labeled a skeptic. I’ve never visited a Catholic church or even read from their Bible or really even researched anything about them honestly. I saw a movie today called “The Rite” that has to do with a Priest and exorcism and it really led me to think that if exorcisms are real and the devil is real, then God has to be real … I don’t know, it just struck a cord with me… any advice?
 
Those are two mighty big if’s, don’t you think?
I’m just saying that if I was a witness to an exorcism and the devil outright spoke to me and told me things only I would know and predicted things to happen that actually happened then I think that would be pretty strong evidence for his existence. If a devil (evil force) exists then God (or a good force) has to exist as well.
 
A little about myself… my name is Jordan Woods and I’m from California. I was born and raised a Christian my entire life and around the age of 19-20 I started questioning and doubting the existence of God and now I’d most likely be labeled a skeptic. I’ve never visited a Catholic church or even read from their Bible or really even researched anything about them honestly. I saw a movie today called “The Rite” that has to do with a Priest and exorcism and it really led me to think that if exorcisms are real and the devil is real, then God has to be real … I don’t know, it just struck a cord with me… any advice?
You are doing it right now. 👍

You can also go to your local Catholic church and find out when they have RCIA classes. You can learn a bit about the church there and meet others with similar questions to yours.
 
A little about myself… my name is Jordan Woods and I’m from California. I was born and raised a Christian my entire life and around the age of 19-20 I started questioning and doubting the existence of God and now I’d most likely be labeled a skeptic. I’ve never visited a Catholic church or even read from their Bible or really even researched anything about them honestly. I saw a movie today called “The Rite” that has to do with a Priest and exorcism and it really led me to think that if exorcisms are real and the devil is real, then God has to be real … I don’t know, it just struck a cord with me… any advice?
Hello,

What are you asking? To prove God is real or if exorcisms are real?

If you want to know if God is real, I suggest realing The Five Ways in Summa Theologica. But I would point out St. Aquinas will confuse you until you understand him, so read Aquinas: A Beginner’s Guide by Dr. Edward Feser first.

Exorcisms? Here’s a two passages from the Catholic Encyclopedia on Exorcism:

"We have it on the authority of all early writers who refer to the subject at all that in the first centuries not only the clergy, but lay Christians also were able by the power of Christ to deliver demoniacs or energumens, and their success was appealed to by the early Apologists as a strong argument for the Divinity of the Christian religion (Justin Martyr, First Apology 6; Dialogue with Trypho 30 and 85; Minutius Felix, Octavius 27; Origen, Against Celsus I.25; VII.4; VII.67; Tertullian, Apology 22, 23; etc.). As is clear from testimonies referred to, no magical or superstitious means were employed, but in those early centuries, as in later times, a simple and authoritative adjuration addressed to the demon in the name of God, and more especially in the name of Christ crucified, was the usual form of exorcism.

But sometimes in addition to words some symbolic action was employed, such as breathing (insufflatio), or laying of hands on the subject, or making the sign of cross. St. Justin speaks of demons flying from “the touch and breathing of Christians” (Second Apology 6) as from a flame that burns them, adds St. Cyril of Jerusalem (Catechetical Lectures 20.3). Origen mentions the laying of hands, and St. Ambrose (Paulinus, Vit. Ambr., n. 28, 43, P.L, XIV, 36, 42), St. Ephraem Syrus (Gregory of Nyssa, De Vit. Ephr., P.G., XLVI, 848) and others used this ceremony in exorcising. The sign of the cross, that briefest and simplest way of expressing one’s faith in the Crucified and invoking His Divine power, is extolled by many Fathers for its efficacy against all kinds of demoniac molestation (Lactantius, Divine Institutes IV.27; Athanasius, On the Incarnation of the Word 47; Basil, In Isai., XI, 249, P.G., XXX, 557, Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures 13.3; Gregory Nazianzen, Carm. Adv. iram, v, 415 sq.; P.G., XXXVII, 842). The Fathers further recommend that the adjuration and accompanying prayers should be couched in the words of Holy Writ (Cyril of Jerusalem, Procatechesis 9; Athanasius, Ad Marcell., n. 33, P.G., XXVII, 45). The present rite of exorcism as given in the Roman Ritual fully agrees with patristic teaching and is a proof of the continuity of Catholic tradition in this matter."

So historical documents point out that exorcisms were done.

Enjoy 👍
 
I’m just saying that if I was a witness to an exorcism and the devil outright spoke to me and told me things only I would know and predicted things to happen that actually happened then I think that would be pretty strong evidence for his existence.
It would be evidence for something, certainly. I don’t exactly know how you’d conclude that it was the devil of Christian mythology and not some evil spirit from some other mythology and/or just a mental patient spouting random things that your confirmation bias makes you think are “predictions.”
If a devil (evil force) exists then God (or a good force) has to exist as well.
Not necessarily. I don’t think that any supernatural forces exist, but it’s possible that there could just be an evil force and not a good one.
 
You are doing it right now. 👍

You can also go to your local Catholic church and find out when they have RCIA classes. You can learn a bit about the church there and meet others with similar questions to yours.
Thanks for the reply! Are all Catholic churches the same, or are some different than others? How can I find some local to me? What am I supposed to dress like? etc… lol
 
Thanks for the reply! Are all Catholic churches the same, or are some different than others? How can I find some local to me? What am I supposed to dress like? etc… lol
The two I have been to seemed about the same. You can google catholic churches in your area. When I do it, it pops up a nice map with them. The main concern is a decent amount of covering (no tank tops) and no offensive images/text. I see plenty of people in the Catholic church I go to now wearing nice t-shirts or their work clothes.

Oh yea!!! Until you actually become Catholic, do not partake in communion (the Eucharist). You can go forward with everyone else (when they go up for communion) with your arms crossed and the priest will bless you.
 
Are all Catholic churches the same, or are some different than others? How can I find some local to me? What am I supposed to dress like? etc… lol
So, just so we’re all clear here, you consider yourself to be a “skeptic,” but watching a movie – and doing absolutely no actual research – has made you think that there just might be something to this whole Catholic thing.

Okie dokie…
 
You wouldnt happen to be “WoodsofJordan” from Youtube and stickam would you?
 
A little about myself… my name is Jordan Woods and I’m from California. I was born and raised a Christian my **entire life **and around the age of 19-20 I started questioning and doubting the existence of God and now I’d most likely be labeled a skeptic. I’ve never visited a Catholic church or even read from their Bible or really even researched anything about them honestly. I saw a movie today called “The Rite” that has to do with a Priest and exorcism and it really led me to think that if exorcisms are real and the devil is real, then God has to be real … I don’t know, it just struck a cord with me… any advice?
Let me guess. Your definition of being a skeptic is doubting God after being raised a christian for your “entire life”
Where are you now that you are no longer alive?
 
Let me guess. Your definition of being a skeptic is doubting God after being raised a christian for your “entire life”
Where are you now that you are no longer alive?
Well I don’t know, I guess I would be agnostic or a deist. I think God exists but not sure which god it is that exists. I was a Christian most of my life, non denominational … then an agnostic. I tried the Mormon church for awhile but I just found it to be compeltely wrong.
 
A little about myself… my name is Jordan Woods and I’m from California. I was born and raised a Christian my entire life and around the age of 19-20 I started questioning and doubting the existence of God and now I’d most likely be labeled a skeptic. I’ve never visited a Catholic church or even read from their Bible or really even researched anything about them honestly. I saw a movie today called “The Rite” that has to do with a Priest and exorcism and it really led me to think that if exorcisms are real and the devil is real, then God has to be real … I don’t know, it just struck a cord with me… any advice?
The exorcisms in the The Rite are based on actual accounts. The movie is based on the book of the same title, The Rite by Matt Baglio. I suggest you read it. The real life priest in the book, Fr. Gary Thomas is a parish priest in Northern California, in the San Jose area. He was greatly affected by what he experienced and the devil does exist. The author was a fallen away catholic, after what he experience, he rediscovered his faith.

The 1973 movie The Exorcist was also based on an actual exorcism. Here is a video link to the documentary about the actual event. Pay special close attention to the events in the last part, when an angelic voice takes over.

youtube.com/watch?v=dDgoNlOn-hk
 
Well I don’t know, I guess I would be agnostic or a deist. I think God exists but not sure which god it is that exists. I was a Christian most of my life, non denominational … then an agnostic. I tried the Mormon church for awhile but I just found it to be compeltely wrong.
Keep going to the movies to look for guidance then. After all, that would be the skeptic’s guide to the universe.
 
I don’t know who you are and it really wouldn’t surprise me if you ended up finding true faith after this experience.

John 1:47-50 ASV
(47) Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
(48) Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
(49) Nathanael answered him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art King of Israel.
(50) Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee underneath the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
 
You wouldnt happen to be “WoodsofJordan” from Youtube and stickam would you?
Yeah that’s him. Evangelical, atheist, Mormon, skeptic leaning towards atheism and now going towards Catholicism. He’s definitely been on a ride. Nothing wrong with learning about Catholicism though. Jordan, if you’re reading this, I’d urge you to just get your hands on a Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) to learn the beliefs and attending an RCIA class would be a good idea as well or just sitting in on a mass. God bless.
 
Yeah that’s him. Evangelical, atheist, Mormon, skeptic leaning towards atheism and now going towards Catholicism. He’s definitely been on a ride. Nothing wrong with learning about Catholicism though. Jordan, if you’re reading this, I’d urge you to just get your hands on a Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) to learn the beliefs and attending an RCIA class would be a good idea as well or just sitting in on a mass. God bless.
I can relate in some ways, I was a Methodist turned Catholic turned Deist turned Catholic. Some of us just have a bit of a windy road.

Jordan we are here to help in any way we can be of assistance to you. Curtishouse30 gives good advice in looking for a copy of the Cathechism (its pretty much a one stop shop on a little bit of everything in regards to Catholicisim which is really useful) If you dont want to spend the 8 or so dollars you can find it online pretty easilly.
 
Thanks for the reply! **Are all Catholic churches the same, or are some different than others? **How can I find some local to me? What am I supposed to dress like? etc… lol
They are all the same in the sense that all of the hair salons in a major chain would be the same. You can go to any one and expect comparable service, but you might find a stylist (or priest in the case of a church) that you connect with better at a certain one. If you go to google you can probably find the mass times for your local churches and attend a few Sunday masses before you decide which one you want to take classes at, and while you might feel out of place at first since you won’t know the exact prayers or actions people are taking it isn’t that hard to at least mimic them, and trust me when I say no one will even notice if you mess something up even seasoned catholics sometimes forget to do something like kneel even when everyone else around them is doing it. And if you don’t feel comfortable going to mass without understanding more most parish offices are open during normal business hours during the week and can set you up to take RCIA classes which will explain any questions you have.
 
God is as real as Satan,and it is up to you who you choose. I would advice you to choose God. And if you ever doubt you faith,look around lad,look around. The trees,rivers,green grass,people,animals,who else but God could have created all this? :bible1:
 
I’ve never … even read from their Bible…
If you have read a Protestant Bible, such as the King James Version, containing 66 books, then you have already read about 90% of the Catholic Bible. Catholic Bibles include all 66 books found in a Protestant Bible. In addition, Catholic Bibles include another 7 Old Testament books not found in a Protestant Bible, namely Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, First Maccabees, and Second Maccabees. (The Catholic versions of Esther and Daniel are slightly longer than their Protestant counterparts because they include some additional verses.)
 
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