From Adam?

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Jon_S said:
I don’t think you should be so hung up on this point. Things like this are really speculative by science standards even.

It certainly not fact, just held theory with loose evidence.

In a nutshell, science, to my knowledge has no way to determine this, and it seems to go against evolutionary theory to suggest one came first. Evolutionary theory has small changes over time leading to new species so the males and females would generally be similarly developed.

So from a Christian perspective we then turn to the soul issue, which really had no affect on the biology.
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Amen, and its called the “theory” of evolution, not the “law” of evolution. 🙂
 
Jon_S said:
I don’t think you should be so hung up on this point. Things like this are really speculative by science standards even.

It certainly not fact, just held theory with loose evidence.

In a nutshell, science, to my knowledge has no way to determine this, and it seems to go against evolutionary theory to suggest one came first. Evolutionary theory has small changes over time leading to new species so the males and females would generally be similarly developed.

So from a Christian perspective we then turn to the soul issue, which really had no affect on the biology.
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So you’re saying that
  1. Males and females developed around the same time, but that has nothing to do with when they received souls?
  2. And we’re not required to believe Eve came from Adams rib?
Don’t know if I mentioned this or not, but I read on CAF in an old thread that some Pope in an 1800’s encyclical, and that Pope Pius XII in the 1950’s said that we’re required to believe Eve came from Adams rib. Do you know if that’s true? If so, it contradicts what my pastor and Bible study teacher said. 🤷
 
Faith1960 said:
So you’re saying that
  1. Males and females developed around the same time, but that has nothing to do with when they received souls?
  2. And we’re not required to believe Eve came from Adams rib?
Don’t know if I mentioned this or not, but I read on CAF in an old thread that some Pope in an 1800’s encyclical, and that Pope Pius XII in the 1950’s said that we’re required to believe Eve came from Adams rib. Do you know if that’s true? If so, it contradicts what my pastor and Bible study teacher said. 🤷
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  1. yes
    2)correct
  2. I do not believe that is correct about the rib. It sounds like your pastor is correct.
 
GaryTaylor said:
I’m sorry Faith I’m missing your point? Your still thinking about the rib? 🙂 I also think if I remember right, the actual translation isn’t Adams rib, but his side, this too then places a different emphasis on not only of the same species but of equality. Which it seems clear since the fall bought other connotations connected with Eve.
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Yes, rib, side whatever, it contradicts science.
 
=Jon S;11932381]This is not the position of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church allows for this option or other options and remains quite open to the possibility that man evolved. The one thing we must believe is that Adam and Eve were the first Human Beings made in the image of God. This could have happened any number of ways. We cannot believe in polygenesim but we can believe that there were human like people of which Adam and Eve were selected by God to receive their soul and become our first parents.
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I suggest you read the entirety of this EWTN article and the sources it quotes
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Thanks for the kind reply:
Defination of SOUL:
From Fr. Hardons catholic Dic.

SOUL. “The spiritual immortal part in human beings that animates their body. Though a substance in itself, the soul is naturally ordained toward a body; separated, it is an “incomplete” substance. The soul has no parts, it is therefore simple, but it is not without accidents. The faculties are its proper accidents. Every experience adds to its accidental form. It is individually created for each person by God and infused into the body at the time of human insemination. It is moreover created in respect to the body it will inform, so that the substance of bodily features and of mental characteristics insofar as they depend on organic functions is safeguarded. As a simple and spiritual substance, the soul cannot die. Yet it is not the total human nature, since a human person is composed of body animated by the soul. In philosophy, animals and plants are also said to have souls, which operate as sensitive and vegetative principles of life. Unlike the human spirit, these souls are perishable. The rational soul contains all the powers of the two other souls and is the origin of the sensitive and vegetative functions in the human being.”

Dictionay:
soul [sohl] Show IPA
noun
1.
the principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in humans, regarded as a distinct entity separate from the body, and commonly held to be separable in existence from the body; the spiritual part of humans as distinct from the physical part.
2.
the spiritual part of humans regarded in its moral aspect, or as believed to survive death and be subject to happiness or misery in a life to come: arguing the immortality of the soul.
3.
the disembodied spirit of a deceased person: He feared the soul of the deceased would haunt him.
4.
the emotional part of human nature; the seat of the feelings or sentiments.
5.
a human being; person.

God Bless you Jon,

Patrick
 
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