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I’m a “revert” Catholic, and I’m curious about something. I often hear about “non practicing Catholics”–those who have basically left the church, but aren’t practicing any other faith, and reverts like myself. I’m wondering how many have left Catholicism to go to another faith, and what it is about that faith that drew them.

Please, no debates or Catholic bashing. 😉
I was never a catholic so I can only speak for my wife. She was brought up in a catholic home and did all the things the catholic children did for church in the 60’s. She was fine with it and learned much and then, for one of the rituals, she was told to kiss the bishop’s ring. That was the beginning of the end for her. She is NOT anti-catholic as so many ex-catholics are. She’s quite a peace with her present understandings from the Bible, even those that differ from things taught her as a child, but she is thankful for the foundation laid in her soul as younster.
 
I’ll see if I can track them down. Keep in mind most of my Catholic stuff is long out of my possession so it’ll be hard to track down. You can google Josephite marriage to find some information.

The suffering part comes from “One True Faith” a show praised for it’s Catholic orthodoxy.
OK. Just remember though that, inorder for something to be official teaching it must be contained in an official Vatican document. Something said on “show” can easily be someones opinion or have been misunmderstood.

The other item, that an impotent Man is forbidden to marry is simply not true.

Peace
James
 
OK. Just remember though that, inorder for something to be official teaching it must be contained in an official Vatican document. Something said on “show” can easily be someones opinion or have been misunmderstood.
An when the show is IDed by conservative Orthodox Bishops as being accurate and given those two bits of latin that say this does no contradict the faith and only uses accurate actual Vatican teachings?
The other item, that an impotent Man is forbidden to marry is simply not true.
Canon 1084.1 Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have sexual intercourse, whether on the part of the man or on that of the woman, whether absolute or relative, by its very nature invalidates marriage.

Being discussed here Link
 
Hi AJTheMan,

Question for you:

I’m reading The Unabridged Dhammapada (Dover Thrift Edition, Max Mueller translation). In chapter IX (on Evil), it is mentioned that “some” people undergo reincarnation, the workers of evil enter into hell, and the workers of good enter into heaven.

In Buddhist belief, is there a hell and heaven where reincarnation continues? Thanks.
Yes.

Buddhists do not believe in Reincarnation, which is the idea that our soul continues on into the next life. This is not compatible with the Buddhist concept of anatta. The dhamma does teach of rebirth, however.

There are a few realms in which we are reborn. There’s the realm of the Humans, Hells, Heavens, Animals, and Ghosts. The most preferable of these is the human realm. While Heaven may seem good, it is important to remember that nothing is permanent. You will be happy for a while but you will still be attached and craving, which would lead to another rebirth. The human realm is the only realm where one can truly rid one’s self of cravings and attachments and become an Arahant. Arahants are released from the cycle of rebirth. The cessation of rebirth is nibbanna.
 
I don’t care who this upsets…but it is the pure, unadulterated truth…THE ONLY REASONS any Catholic would ever abandon The Catholic Church, is because either A) They do not fully understand The Church’s teachings and have a very poor catechesis and they are leaving something they don’t even really know to begin with; or B) They truly know and understand all of The Church’s teachings, but out of complete arrogance, selfishness, and hardness of heart, they leave the Church because they want to live a lifestyle not compatible with being a Catholic.
That is “the pure, unadulterated truth”—but only if one starts from the premise that Catholicism itself is true.

I doubt anyone is going to get upset about the fact that you have a strongly-worded opinion. You’re entitled! 🙂
 
I stopped practicing back when I was 20 or so, due to choices I was making that I knew were sinful. My conscience was formed and I chose my own pleasures and will. I didn’t have any major difficulties with Church Teachings or anything about priests, etc. It was my own unwillingness to give up practices in my personal life that kept me away.

10 years later a major life crisis brought me back. I will always be thankful for that crisis even though I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. The last 3 years have been very difficult but I wouldn’t trade the graces of our catholic faith for anything. Please God help me to remain faithful.
 
I am one of those Catholics who followed because of who I was, what I learned from early school and my parents, and a catholic high school. As a teen ager, I grew up forsaking or ignoring what catholicism is all about. The world had too much to offer for such a person who was outgoing and loved life to the fullest. I attended baptist school for my college days and almost converted to protestantism.

I got married with a woman devouted enough to be a catholic, and that, by the faith she knew from the same way I did. She encouraged me to go to Church, and I did. Still it was without much of the faith a true Catholic must have. I came to New York and the 9/11 struck. I was puzzled by the way the terrorists killed themselves for their faith. A question lingered, so I studied my faith again. This question of; “why could someone die for faith while my faith was so weak that I didn’t even know how to defend it if I am confronted?”

The inspiration of gaining my faith back came to life and I kept reading all materials available to me. With that, I also got interested with Islam because of the way the terrorists obeyed. After so much reading, it appeared that I have ignored my faith for so long. I sometimes cried because I have forsaken the Church of my Lord. I also got into conclusion that the terrorists did not die because of faith but of hate.

I learned again about the Church which was founded in Divinity, and it may be administered only by humanity. The obedience to the teachings of Jesus Christ, and the scriptures. That the Church’s goal is to fulfill what Jesus have said and wanted. That the early fathers were there to witness and continue to fulfill His message. I concur with how the Church interprets the Scriptures in unison so that everyone will have a single explanation for every Word in the Holy Bible.

I believe in the Papacy so that the Church will be guided by a leader who will enforced the will of the Church. I believe that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ. I believe in the Dogma of the Church. That we are all responsible to all out brothers and sisters, and God provided us the freedom to pray for one another and to do good that is pleasing to Him. I honor the Blessed Mother of God, and all the Saints who did righteousness, for they are righteous in the eyes of the Lord. Their intercession is vital to our salvation.

I always remember what the Church is all about. I know that it is not about pleasing our interest just because we are not entertained by its gathering or mass. I know that we do not scrutinized the scriptures anymore because we know that it was already discussed and interpreted by our early fathers who some of them were even their when the scriptures were written and associating themselves with the writers. I would read the Bible and leave it as it is.

My brothers and sisters, I will not leave the Church our Lord founded. I am already in, why should I get out. What more can I do for my salvation. Everything is here.

Remember always, whatever humanity does, the Church remains Divine!
 
I doubt anyone is going to get upset about the fact that you have a strongly-worded opinion. You’re entitled! 🙂
Really? If I gave an equally strongly worded condemnation of Catholicism, I’d be banned.
 
Really? If I gave an equally strongly worded condemnation of Catholicism, I’d be banned.
Indeed. That would get people upset! 😃

Fortunately for him, Michael was only towing the party line. Or one of the party lines. It’s a cornucopia of conflicting opinions, that Church that is One.
 
I have condemned no one with my words…I merely stated the only two reasons why a Catholic would leave the faith. I did not speak out against any faith whatsoever…
Really? If I gave an equally strongly worded condemnation of Catholicism, I’d be banned.
 
Yes.

Buddhists do not believe in Reincarnation, which is the idea that our soul continues on into the next life. This is not compatible with the Buddhist concept of anatta. The dhamma does teach of rebirth, however.

There are a few realms in which we are reborn. There’s the realm of the Humans, Hells, Heavens, Animals, and Ghosts. The most preferable of these is the human realm. While Heaven may seem good, it is important to remember that nothing is permanent. You will be happy for a while but you will still be attached and craving, which would lead to another rebirth. The human realm is the only realm where one can truly rid one’s self of cravings and attachments and become an Arahant. Arahants are released from the cycle of rebirth. The cessation of rebirth is nibbanna.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I had thought the Hindu belief in reincarnation and the Buddhist belief were similiar enough, so I appreciate your clarification.

I still am trying to understand the Buddhist approach. If our soul does not continue into the next life, who or what does? You mention the cycle of rebirth. Who or what exactly experiences “re” birth? Atman (self)?

The expression “cycle of rebirth” and “cessation of rebirth” (nibbanna) sound similiar to samsara and mosksa.
 
I still am trying to understand the Buddhist approach. If our soul does not continue into the next life, who or what does? You mention the cycle of rebirth. Who or what exactly experiences “re” birth? Atman (self)?
" When we die, the mind, with all the tendencies, preferences, abilities and characteristics that have been developed and conditioned in this life, re-establishes itself in a fertilized egg. Thus the individual grows, is re-born and develops a personality conditioned both by the mental characteristics that have been carried over and by the new environment. The personality will change and be modified by conscious effort and conditioning factors like education, parental influence and society and once again at death, re-establish itself in a new fertilized egg. This process of dying and being reborn will continue until the conditions that cause it, craving and ignorance, cease. When they do, instead of being reborn, the mind attains a state called Nirvana and this is the ultimate goal of Buddhism and the purpose of life. Think of it being like radio waves. The radio waves, which are not made up of words and music but energy at different frequencies, are transmitted, travel through space, are attracted to and picked up by the receiver from where they are broadcast as words and music. It is the same with the mind. At death, mental energy travels through space, is attracted to and picked up by the fertilized egg. As the embryo grows, it centers itself in the brain from where it later “broadcasts” itself as the new personality. " – Buddhanet.net (Established by a Bhikkhu)
The expression “cycle of rebirth” and “cessation of rebirth” (nibbanna) sound similiar to samsara and mosksa.
It is called Samsara in buddhism also. I tend to leave the terminology off of the message boards though because it is mostly meaningless to people who don’t already have some knowledge of it. For instance, instead of saying sangha, I’ll usually say “monkhood” so that Catholics understand a bit better. I don’t know much about Hindus but I think the goal they have is very similar. They hope to achieve nibbanna. Hindus believe that one must first be reborn into the Priest Caste. The Buddha was the biggest critic of the caste system at the time. He felt that anyone, like himself, could reach nibbanna without having to wait countless lifetimes to be reborn into the priest caste.

The reason why I say that Buddhists do not believe in reincarnation is because that would be fairly misleading as to what the dhamma teaches. Reincarnation is the idea that a permanent “self,” or soul, is reborn into new bodies. This idea of a permanent “self” is missing from Buddhism. The concept is similar but when you factor in the concept of anatta, you see how calling it “reincarnation” could be misleading.
 
I have condemned no one with my words…I merely stated the only two reasons why a Catholic would leave the faith. I did not speak out against any faith whatsoever…
Do they still have the “ignore” option for certain posters. If I respond to you in an equally presumptuous and arrogant tone, I’d get banned.

Though that might be a good thing.
 
Without hesitation, man, KIRK! That’s a no brainer! That’s like asking “David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar?” LOL…Dave! Dave! Dave! Diamond Dave! lol

Can’t beat the Kirk! You…just…can’t…beat him! (don’t in the Shatner style)
Kirk, Picard or Sisko?
 
I wanted to thank you all for your posts, and for keeping this a (mostly) civil discussion. I’m learning a lot. Again, keep in mind, I’m not so much concerned with why you left Catholicism, but what drew you to your currrent faith.

And by the way, while I agree with Diamond Dave, I’m all about Picard!! 😃
 
Without hesitation, man, KIRK! That’s a no brainer! That’s like asking “David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar?” LOL…Dave! Dave! Dave! Diamond Dave! lol

Can’t beat the Kirk! You…just…can’t…beat him! (don’t in the Shatner style)
William… Shatner…

HAD…

An… Interesting Way…

Of… Delivering… Lines…
 
Yes…he…did…indeed!

Spock…Bones…phasers on stun…let’s hope we don’t have to kill…but…Spock…

Understood, Captain…

He still had it over Picard. More hair, more chicks, less Shakespeare and more direct methods! LOL…Picard was a little too civil at times…Kirk kicked some Klingon butt! 👍
William… Shatner…

HAD…

An… Interesting Way…

Of… Delivering… Lines…
 
Yes…he…did…indeed!

Spock…Bones…phasers on stun…let’s hope we don’t have to kill…but…Spock…

Understood, Captain…

He still had it over Picard. More hair, more chicks, less Shakespeare and more direct methods! LOL…Picard was a little too civil at times…Kirk kicked some Klingon butt! 👍
Kirk to Kruge
“I… have had… enough of… you!”
 
I don’t care who this upsets…but it is the pure, unadulterated truth…THE ONLY REASONS any Catholic would ever abandon The Catholic Church, is because either A) They do not fully understand The Church’s teachings and have a very poor catechesis and they are leaving something they don’t even really know to begin with; or B) They truly know and understand all of The Church’s teachings, but out of complete arrogance, selfishness, and hardness of heart, they leave the Church because they want to live a lifestyle not compatible with being a Catholic.
And that’s precisely the attitude that helped motivate me to leave the Church!
 
michaeldaniels;6450819:
I don’t care who this upsets…but it is the pure, unadulterated truth…THE ONLY REASONS any Catholic would ever abandon The Catholic Church, is because either A) They do not fully understand The Church’s teachings and have a very poor catechesis and they are leaving something they don’t even really know to begin with; or B) They truly know and understand all of The Church’s teachings, but out of complete arrogance, selfishness, and hardness of heart, they leave the Church because they want to live a lifestyle not compatible with being a Catholic.
And that’s precisely the attitude that helped motivate me to leave the Church!
That’s a shame, Ted. Any chance that you might some day “return to the fold”?

Curiously,
Mick
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