From heroism to cynicism. The deconstruction of Luke Skywalker

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i love this. this is exactly how i felt when i watched the movie. luke wasn’t the same luke i remember. besides the whole scene where yoda and luke burn the books of the jedi had so many anti-organized religion implications.
 
I always found it wrong that Luke thought Ben Solo/Kylo Ren was beyond saving, even though he personally redeemed the boy’s grandfather. If he could look at a genocidal child-killer and say “there is still good in this man” then I find it hard to swallow that he could not do the same for a boy who had (by this point) done no such things.

At least the film ends with Luke changing his mind, apologizing to his nephew, and sacrificing himself to save the few remaining rebels. I also like how Rey transitions from condemning Ben Solo for committing the sin of patricide to believing that she can redeem him.
 
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I always found it wrong that Luke thought Ben Solo/Kylo Ren was beyond saving, even though he personally redeemed the boy’s grandfather. If he could look at a genocidal child-killer and say “there is still good in this man” then I find it hard to swallow that he could not do the same for a boy who had (by this point) done no such things.

At least the film ends with Luke changing his mind, apologizing to his nephew, and sacrificing himself to save the few remaining rebels. I also like how Rey transitions from condemning Ben Solo for committing the sin of patricide to believing that she can redeem him.
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Well, Luke WAS 40 years younger in the original trilogy. Time, sadly, can turn even the best of us into cynics.
 
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They didn’t actually burn the books. Rey took them. Luke intended to burn them but I’m sure Yoda knew they were gone.
 
I’ve never seen a Star Wars movie but I’ll take your word for it 😁
 
LilyM said:
Well, Luke WAS 40 years younger in the original trilogy. Time, sadly, can turn even the best of us into cynics.
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That sounds like the problem. It’s assumed that no matter how heroic Luke is he must turn into a cynic over time.
 
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The problem I have isn’t that Luke became a grumpy old man. It was that we never saw the transformation. So we got whiplash. In the 90s they should’ve done a Luke as a middle aged master, and show us his descent into cynicism. That would’ve been a story I’d love to see.
 
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LilyM:
Well, Luke WAS 40 years younger in the original trilogy. Time, sadly, can turn even the best of us into cynics.
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That sound like the problem. It’s assumed that no matter how heroic Luke is he must turn into a cynic over time.
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Well, Leia was heroic and uncynical 🙂 or is Luke the only one allowed to be a hero?
 
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I’ve no doubt that movie will be made eventually. To quote Weird Al, they’ll be making these movies till the end of time. 😝
 
jdavani said:
i love this. this is exactly how i felt when i watched the movie. luke wasn’t the same luke i remember. besides the whole scene where yoda and luke burn the books of the jedi had so many anti-organized religion implications.
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The books were not in there. Luke didn’t know that Rey took them. But Yoda did, which is why Yoda thought the whole thing was funny… and that’s actually why Yoda said to Luke that Rey already had everything she needed.
 
Rhubarb said:
The problem I have isn’t that Luke became a grumpy old man. It was that we never saw the transformation. So we got whiplash. In the 90s they should’ve done a Luke as a middle aged master, and show us his descent into cynicism. That would’ve been a story I’d love to see.
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they are already talking about doing that movie.
 
I wish they had used more of the Star Wars Expanded Universe (now considered non-canonical). In the EU, Han and Leia had three children (Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin Solo). Luke was also married and had a son, Ben. Jacen and Jaina were twins. Anakin was killed off to avoid confusion with his grandfather in the prequels. Over the course of nine books, Jacen slowly fell to the dark side, largely without realizing that he was falling. Jaina was eventually forced to kill Jacen, although (I think) he redeemed himself in the last second or two of his life. I’m not saying that’s the story they should have told (although I think it would have been a good one), but it would have helped if they didn’t do stupid things like reuse Ben’s name for a different side of the Skywalker family, further screwing up the relationship between the EU and the new canon. Would it have killed them to name him Jacen? Admittedly, I lost interest in the EU when they killed off both Jacen and Anakin Solo. Decided to write my own sci-fi books.
 
I didn’t think it was a deconstruction.
Luke made the right decision in the end in the end.
People in real life can screw up, even good people.
 
Yeah I don’t know what people are talking about. Luke DID decide to be a hero one last time in the end… he saved the last of the rebels, then became one with the Force presumably to continuing guiding Rey as a Force ghost as Obi-wan did for him.
 
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