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mnealon1
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I was wondering did Jesus call out from the Cross to the Father in His human nature or Divine, and why did He fell forsaken?
From the Cross Jesus said My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?
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Tietjen
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Christ was fulfulling yet another prophecy (See Psalm 22). This points out many of the similarities between the Messiah foretold in Psalm and Jesus the Christ. It actually amazes me that so many Jews back then did not recognize the Messiah.
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mnealon1
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Thank you very much for the information. 
I have read the Psalm and it is quite heart wrenching to think David would forsee that Jesus would cry out in such angush for the love of us all. I love the Passion of Jesus so much, because it shows the greatness of His love for us which is beyond our imagination. Without His death and resurection we would have no chance of Heaven, or receiving the Eucharist.
When you think about it if the Jews had recognised the Messiah things might have been so different it was the Divine Plan for Jesus to die and rise again for us, to open the gates of heaven, the forgiviness of sin, and with Hope, Love, and Mercy be called to His Kingdom. As Mother Angelica would say "What a awesome thought) !
Thank you and God Bless
I have read the Psalm and it is quite heart wrenching to think David would forsee that Jesus would cry out in such angush for the love of us all. I love the Passion of Jesus so much, because it shows the greatness of His love for us which is beyond our imagination. Without His death and resurection we would have no chance of Heaven, or receiving the Eucharist.When you think about it if the Jews had recognised the Messiah things might have been so different it was the Divine Plan for Jesus to die and rise again for us, to open the gates of heaven, the forgiviness of sin, and with Hope, Love, and Mercy be called to His Kingdom. As Mother Angelica would say "What a awesome thought) !
Thank you and God Bless
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FCEGM
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And when we read these words of Our Lord from Cross, we can hear all of mankind’s anguishing call to God drawn up in His offering - and we know His response in the Resurrection.Yes, Psalm 22 is the key to understanding this passage. In Jesus’ time, the Psalms were not neatly numbered. They knew them by their first line. Jesus was praying this Psalm when He was on the cross. Read the whole thing. It ends on a positive note.
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LilyM
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My view on it is that Jesus took ALL the consequences of our sin upon Himself. One of those consequences is that feeling we have of being separated from God by our sinfulness.
Not, of course, that even the worst sinner is ever truly abandoned by God, neither was Jesus truly abandoned by the Father.
Not, of course, that even the worst sinner is ever truly abandoned by God, neither was Jesus truly abandoned by the Father.
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PJM
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***Both Natures were abused, rejected and humiliated.
As to the second part of your question: His Apostles left Him [except John], most of His deciples left Him [except His Mother, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary] and all these folks knew Jesus as God and as man.
Then as God and as man * He endured the most public, most humiliating, most excruitating death possible at the time.**
On top of that, Jesus knew that He had failed in one of the things He wanted so badly to do; namely to save every man women and child, past, present and future. YES He Redeemed us, but redemption and salvation are not the same. Heaven was made a possibility, but it was not, is not a guarantee from God. OSAS is a very sad perpetuated myth that God will not because God cannot honor a lie. OSAS in not biblical!***
Love and prayers,
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Joe_Kelley
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I think the final part is a refers to the Messiah. So Jesus was proclaiming His role as Messiah.Yes, Psalm 22 is the key to understanding this passage. In Jesus’ time, the Psalms were not neatly numbered. They knew them by their first line. Jesus was praying this Psalm when He was on the cross. Read the whole thing. It ends on a positive note.
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KyivAndrew
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I think the late Archbishop Fulton Sheen commented on this passage the best in his classic The Life of Christ:
"… He [Jesus] was denying Himself, for the moment, the light and consolation of the Divinity. Suffering now passed from the body into the mind and soul, as He spoke with a loud voice: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? During this part of the Crucifixion, Our Blessed Lord was repeating the Psalm of David which prophetically referred to Him…The signal feature in the sufferings of Our Lord revealed in the Psalm was His desolation and solitude. The Divine Son called his Father ‘My God’ – in contrast to the prayer which taught men to say ‘Our Father who art in Heaven’.
It was not that His human nature was separated from His Divine nature; that was impossible. It was rather that just as the sun’s light and heat can be hidden at the base of a mountain by intervening clouds, though the peak is bathed in sunlight, so too, in taking upon Himself the sins of the world He willed a kind of withdrawal of His Father’s face and all Divine consolation. Sin has physical effects, and these He bore by having his hands and feet pierced; sin has mental effects which He poured forth in the Garden of Gethsemane; sin also has spiritual effects such as sense of abandonment, separation from God, loneliness. This particular moment He willed to take upon Himself that principal effect of sin which was abandonment." (emphasis mine, pg. 378-9)
I agree wholeheartedly with the good Bishop. Christ had to be tested in every way as our Redeemer, and this included the severe test of feeling Completely Abandoned by God, as above. He overcame this fear with his last words from the cross, but these words, apart from pointing to the promise of the Psalms, also point out that any who carry the cross of feeling completely abandoned by God or complete loneliness or even fear before death need not worry for Christ is with us Always and knows Exactly how we feel, He having undergone the same spiritual agony on the Cross.
"… He [Jesus] was denying Himself, for the moment, the light and consolation of the Divinity. Suffering now passed from the body into the mind and soul, as He spoke with a loud voice: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? During this part of the Crucifixion, Our Blessed Lord was repeating the Psalm of David which prophetically referred to Him…The signal feature in the sufferings of Our Lord revealed in the Psalm was His desolation and solitude. The Divine Son called his Father ‘My God’ – in contrast to the prayer which taught men to say ‘Our Father who art in Heaven’.
It was not that His human nature was separated from His Divine nature; that was impossible. It was rather that just as the sun’s light and heat can be hidden at the base of a mountain by intervening clouds, though the peak is bathed in sunlight, so too, in taking upon Himself the sins of the world He willed a kind of withdrawal of His Father’s face and all Divine consolation. Sin has physical effects, and these He bore by having his hands and feet pierced; sin has mental effects which He poured forth in the Garden of Gethsemane; sin also has spiritual effects such as sense of abandonment, separation from God, loneliness. This particular moment He willed to take upon Himself that principal effect of sin which was abandonment." (emphasis mine, pg. 378-9)
I agree wholeheartedly with the good Bishop. Christ had to be tested in every way as our Redeemer, and this included the severe test of feeling Completely Abandoned by God, as above. He overcame this fear with his last words from the cross, but these words, apart from pointing to the promise of the Psalms, also point out that any who carry the cross of feeling completely abandoned by God or complete loneliness or even fear before death need not worry for Christ is with us Always and knows Exactly how we feel, He having undergone the same spiritual agony on the Cross.
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