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Gorgias
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Right. But we’re talking about fruit additions as part of the ingredient list.
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Duesenberg
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Lovinglight
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Yes mine does all the time…Novus OrdoI’ve never even considered a white wine as being used for Mass. Do churches use white wine?
Bizarre.
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Gorgias
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It would have seemed to have been clear, given the context.
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Duesenberg
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Not so. Your comment was not clear.
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Gorgias
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I’ll be sure to ask your advice on clarity in expression in the future, then.Gorgias:
Not so. Your comment was not clear.
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FrDavid96
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It was clear. We’re discussing “fruit wine” or “wine with fruit.”
It’s clear that sulfites (natural or added) have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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FrDavid96
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Although I’m not a fan of it, I know there’s quite a bit of sake (the Japanese drink) sold in the U.S.
I often see sake labels with words like “Japanese wine” or “Japanese beer.”
I wonder what someone in Japan would think if a person in the U.S. were to write to some friends in Japan on an internet message board, and try to translate the label “Sake / Japanese wine” into the Japanese language.
How very strange that would sound to a native Japanese person!!
In the English speaking U.S. when someone asks about “fruit wine” at Mass, our natural instincts are to say “that’s not valid matter for the Eucharist.”
The language changes things.
The words “fruit wine” could be nothing more than a description intended for Asian consumers to tell them that what is in the bottle is fruit instead of a grain, and that the specific fruit is grapes.
A while back, we had a member called “Suki” who is actually in Japan. I wonder if anyone has heard from him lately and if he’s still participating on CAF. I bet his insights would be very helpful for this topic.
I often see sake labels with words like “Japanese wine” or “Japanese beer.”
I wonder what someone in Japan would think if a person in the U.S. were to write to some friends in Japan on an internet message board, and try to translate the label “Sake / Japanese wine” into the Japanese language.
How very strange that would sound to a native Japanese person!!
In the English speaking U.S. when someone asks about “fruit wine” at Mass, our natural instincts are to say “that’s not valid matter for the Eucharist.”
The language changes things.
The words “fruit wine” could be nothing more than a description intended for Asian consumers to tell them that what is in the bottle is fruit instead of a grain, and that the specific fruit is grapes.
A while back, we had a member called “Suki” who is actually in Japan. I wonder if anyone has heard from him lately and if he’s still participating on CAF. I bet his insights would be very helpful for this topic.
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peregrinus_sg
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Thank you for all your answers. So I did a bit of research on the internet about the “fruit wine” label as used in the country where I am currently in, and everything I’ve read says fruit wine indeed refer to blended wine (I.e not because grapes are also a kind of fruit); one site says up to 20% could have come from some fruit juice other than grape. Fruit wine are not the same as grape wine in this country for taxation purposes: grape wine are taxed at a much higher rate than fruit wine for some reason.
I also passed by a wine shop here recently and they proudly display a sign that says “grape wine available here”. So it doesn’t seem likely that fruit wine covers grape wine.
All in all, it bodes ill for the validity question I guess?
I also passed by a wine shop here recently and they proudly display a sign that says “grape wine available here”. So it doesn’t seem likely that fruit wine covers grape wine.
All in all, it bodes ill for the validity question I guess?
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FrDavid96
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I suppose this puts us right where we started.
I can tell you, without hesitation, that a wine must be made from 100% pure grapes, with no juice of any other fruit whatsoever, and no unfermented grape juice. It it does not meet that criteria, then it is not valid matter for the Eucharist.
Whether or not that particular wine is valid matter? I am not in a position where I can determine that.
I can say that we should trust that the priest(s) are careful about using valid wine. We should be able to trust them. I hope that it is valid matter.
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runningdude
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There is no such thing as “simply illicit”. It is a grave violation to use anything but pure grape wine.
In an grave emergency, any wine made with primarily grape could be used validly, however.
In an grave emergency, any wine made with primarily grape could be used validly, however.
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Gorgias
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Are you sure about that? I think you’re mistaken. From Redemptionis sacramentum:
Sure looks like “grape only” is the requirement for validity…
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