FSSP and Protocol 1411/99

[ProVobis]

I have to admit I misspoke: the Sign of Peace wasn’t discontinued in my parish, it was changed to a bow from a handshake.

I’m noticing that more and more parishes are accepting gestures other than hugs and kisses and handshakes at the peace exchange. And you’re not offending someone just because you’re not shaking his hand.

 

[numealinesimpet]

I’m noticing that more and more parishes are accepting gestures other than hugs and kisses and handshakes at the peace exchange. And you’re not offending someone just because you’re not shaking his hand.

I read long ago – but haven’t the reference – that the Kiss of Peace was discontinued in the very early Church after they noticed the young lads jostling for places next to the the young ladies most ‘eligible’ to be Offered Peace to …

 

[numealinesimpet]

I was “inspired” to bring this up after reading all the comments under other threads implying everything was honky-dorey with the FSSP.

Has anything really changed since 2000 with the FSSP except that we have a new Pope? I know we want to sweep this under the rug but the situation up in Calgary does leave a big question mark as to whether this order is totally solid. Don’t get me wrong, I do attend FSSP Masses and think their priests are holy but to use them as an example of how the traditional movement needs to go, especially in relation to the SSPX, is a little troubling for me. I like to hear opinions and thanks, pnewton, for giving me the benefit of the doubt.

I have known since “it” happened about the Ambushing of the FSSP, who suddenly found their Superior given the sack and a Novus Ordo Concelebration imposed, after they all believed this was impossible under their Consitiution. But only since beginning to follow this thread did I discover that, apparently, *the FSSP Consitution was never actually ratified. *
This is the kind of reason the SSPX are unlikely to take any “gentleman’s agreement” at face value – however curmugeonly it may seem to those less well-acquainted with the Ways of the Vatican.

latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_1999_FA_Woods.html
A group of priests who until then belonged to the Society approached the Vatican to found an order of priests in full union with the Holy See that would be dedicated to offering the Mass and sacraments according to the liturgical books of 1962. Crucial to its founding was the Vatican’s guarantee that Fraternity priests could use the old rite exclusively. This was the agreement that Fr. Josef Bisig, who would become the order’s superior general, and fifteen other Lefebvre priests, believed they had reached with Cardinal Ratzinger and Pope John Paul II. Oddly, when the Fraternity’s constitution, based on this agreement and containing the words “exclusive use,” was submitted, the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei refused to accept the use of the word “exclusive.” In retrospect, the matter should have been settled right then, to guarantee the terms of the original agreement in clearer language. In any event, the Fraternity’s final constitutions were never approved, but the substance of what had been agreed to was generally understood by everyone involved; so much so that Fraternity priests who offered the new Mass in violation of their interim constitution were disciplined. (Why such men were ordained to this order is a good and pregnant question.) …(num: my emphasis).

Mgr Lefebvre warned them in 1988 that this was the kind of thing that would happen until there was a real change of heart at the Vatican. Please God, we may be seeing some such change now.

 

[ProVobis]

I read long ago – but haven’t the reference – that the Kiss of Peace was discontinued in the very early Church after they noticed the young lads jostling for places next to the the young ladies most ‘eligible’ to be Offered Peace to …

And the truth is finally revealed as to why the OF is preferred to them.

 

[ProVobis]

so much so that Fraternity priests who offered the new Mass in violation of their interim constitution were disciplined. (Why such men were ordained to this order is a good and pregnant question.) …(num: my emphasis).

Good to know disobedience works both ways.