FSSP vs. EC

[wynd]

I try to switch off between the Tridentine Mass, and the Ruthenian Divine Liturgy every other week. I don’t always go, because as I’m not Catholic yet, it’s not a sin to not meet the Sunday requirement, I try my best to attend.

Regardless of whether it’s a sin or not, if you really plan to convert, it is best to adopt as much of the Catholic mindset as you are able. This would include the belief that one must go to Mass/Divine Liturgy every Sunday except in grave circumstances, which last I checked both the Latin and Byzantine rites require/very strongly encourage.

 

[holdencaulfield]

Regardless of whether it’s a sin or not, if you really plan to convert, it is best to adopt as much of the Catholic mindset as you are able. This would include the belief that one must go to Mass/Divine Liturgy every Sunday except in grave circumstances, which last I checked both the Latin and Byzantine rites require/very strongly encourage.

I know, remember I’m an ex-Protestant so it’s hard to get into the habit. But I know that I must do this.

 

[ByzCath_Deacon]

Holdencaulfield-

given your circumstance, I would not consider you a convert or a catechumen, but an inquirer… To say that one is a convert implies a reception or entrance into a particular faith community.

 

[holdencaulfield]

Holdencaulfield-

given your circumstance, I would not consider you a convert or a catechumen, but an inquirer… To say that one is a convert implies a reception or entrance into a particular faith community.

Check my profile. It says Inquirer.

 

[ByzCath_Deacon]

Check my profile. It says Inquirer.

Ok, but you did post this earlier in the thread:

Yes I am a convert. I have not been Confirmed in either the Roman Church or one of the Eastern Churches. I am deciding between the two.

May you find peace as you inquire.

 

[holdencaulfield]

Thank you.

 

[holdencaulfield]

@ByzCath Deacon:

What Church are you part of?

 

[cam100]

I would be very careful about making a statement like that about the “Novus Ordo”. Not accepting the merits of the liturgical reform is the first step in rejecting Vatican II as a whole, which in turn is the first step to sedevacantism (like one of the sites linked to in the previous post seems to support, by the way). And then your conversion to catholicism really just has been a conversion back to protestantism again.

This is excellent advice, especially the part I bolded. Be very careful of sources such as mentioned in post #31. They all promote sedevacantism, which is essentially a Protestant way of thinking that labels itself Catholic. It is especially misleading for someone, like yourself, holdencaulfield, who is coming from a Protestant background because it may seem more appealing. This ideology is based on private interpretation of scripture and Church documents. This is essentially a Protestant mindset. It goes against the Catholic mindset which recognizes that Christ gave us an authoritative source for such interpretation.

 

[holdencaulfield]

This is excellent advice, especially the part I bolded. Be very careful of sources such as mentioned in post #31. They all promote sedevacantism, which is essentially a Protestant way of thinking that labels itself Catholic. It is especially misleading for someone, like yourself, holdencaulfield, who is coming from a Protestant background because it may seem more appealing. This ideology is based on private interpretation of scripture and Church documents. This is essentially a Protestant mindset. It goes against the Catholic mindset which recognizes that Christ gave us an authoritative source for such interpretation.

I know, Sedevacantism doesn’t really make sense.

 

[JuanCarlos]

This is excellent advice, especially the part I bolded. Be very careful of sources such as mentioned in post #31. They all promote sedevacantism, which is essentially a Protestant way of thinking that labels itself Catholic. It is especially misleading for someone, like yourself, holdencaulfield, who is coming from a Protestant background because it may seem more appealing. This ideology is based on private interpretation of scripture and Church documents. This is essentially a Protestant mindset. It goes against the Catholic mindset which recognizes that Christ gave us an authoritative source for such interpretation.

Critisizing the Novus Ordo does not mean you are a sedevacantist. The Institute of the Good Sheperd, a Traditional Society approved by the Pope, openly questions the documents of the Second Vatican Council.

Its just logic. It is impossible to reconcile documents of the council such as Dignitis Humanae and Lumen Gentium with prior, infallible Church teaching. Just read some Papal encyclicals pre-VII.

@holdencaulfield-

I too am 17. I was raised Protestant, but as a Freshman embraced Catholic. I attended a typical NO Church for a while… but it was so spiritually dry in liturgy and its teaching was so vague I almost just left for Orthodoxy. Now I exclusively attend the Traditional Latin Mass (A motu mass- what a blessing it must be for you to live near a FSSP Church!)

Here’s what I suggest- follow the fasts of the respective Rites (Trad Cath and Ruthenian). Pray the prayers unique to the Churches and see which ones seems “right”.

Visit www.fisheaters.com for info on Trad Cath devotions and fast days. We’ve got a fast day this Saturday; no meat, one meal. Every Friday no meat.

Eastern Catholic fasting requirements are much more rigorous. And if you can’t follow it then you will not be able to receive communion.

See what you can do. PM me if you’d like

 

[cam100]

Critisizing the Novus Ordo does not mean you are a sedevacantist. The Institute of the Good Sheperd, a Traditional Society approved by the Pope, openly questions the documents of the Second Vatican Council.

I never said that criticism of the NO means one is a sedevacantist. I said that the particular sources being recommended by another poster are sedevacantist. They make no attempt to hide that fact, either.

Its just logic. It is impossible to reconcile documents of the council such as Dignitis Humanae and Lumen Gentium with prior, infallible Church teaching. Just read some Papal encyclicals pre-VII.

This is simply wrong because there are writers that HAVE showed how to reconcile prior teaching with the documents you mention above. It is definitely NOT impossible because it’s been done!

 

[wynd]

Eastern Catholic fasting requirements are much more rigorous.

This is true.

And if you can’t follow it then you will not be able to receive communion.

This is not so true. Like most things in Eastern Christianity, your fasting rule will be decided between you and your priest or spiritual father, who will see that you fast the best you can according to your ability.

Unless you are talking about the communion fast from midnight. But in that case I believe the fast is the same as traditional Roman Catholicism.

 

[holdencaulfield]

@JuanCarlos:

Thanks.

 

[JuanCarlos]

Sorry, this Saturday is partial abstinence, not full. Just to clarify*

And you’re welcome

 

[holdencaulfield]

I guess I should merely attend the Ruthenian parish by my house more often to see if it is for me. It’s a little small, so I don’t know if that will change my choice, I guess that I will see.

 

[catholic101]

Hi,

It’s awesome that you have a Ruthenian parish so close to your house, that said I would say to go to the Ruthenian and the FSSP parishes. Also remember that the FSSP is probably the most reliably orthodox group in the church so you can trust them to teach you the truth.

pax

 

[holdencaulfield]

Hi,

It’s awesome that you have a Ruthenian parish so close to your house, that said I would say to go to the Ruthenian and the FSSP parishes. Also remember that the FSSP is probably the most reliably orthodox group in the church so you can trust them to teach you the truth.

pax

Yes that is true, however I do believe that the Ruthenian Church would be quite orthodox as well. Would it not?

 

[JuanCarlos]

Yes that is true, however I do believe that the Ruthenian Church would be quite orthodox as well. Would it not?

You never know. As others have said some Eastern Catholic Churches may teach unorthodox teachings on the Papacy, the Blessed Mother, and the filioque.

 

[holdencaulfield]

You never know. As others have said some Eastern Catholic Churches may teach unorthodox teachings on the Papacy, the Blessed Mother, and the filioque.

I sent the pastor an email asking him about the following things.

• The Papal Doctrines
• The Immaculate Conception
• The Original Sin
• The Filioque

I don’t care if they stress those doctrines in the Divine Liturgy, however as Catholics they must believe them. They don’t have to stress them or anything, but they still must believe them as they are Ordinary Catholic Magisterium. So if he says no to one of those I won’t join that particular parish. I really have no idea why however you would be in one of the Catholic Churches if you did not believe in their teachings.