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I would be interested in hearing about the FSSP. My understanding is they are a priestly organization in good standing with the Pope and the magisterial teachings of the church with a conservative approach, and they also wish to return to the Latin mass. Are they affliated with the SSPX or on offshoot of that organization? What has been your experiences with their masses and the the priests within this group?

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Wonderful people, wonderfully orthodox, unlike so many else, and very knowledgeable about the faith.

You can listen to some F.S.S.P. sermons in the links below.
 
JW55 said:
I would be interested in hearing about the FSSP. My understanding is they are a priestly organization in good standing with the Pope and the magisterial teachings of the church with a conservative approach, and they also wish to return to the Latin mass. Are they affliated with the SSPX or on offshoot of that organization? What has been your experiences with their masses and the the priests within this group?

Thanks.
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The FSSP was founded in 1988 by priests who left the SSPX after Archbishop Levebvre consecrated several bishops without a papal mandate. These priests wanted to preserve the Traditional Latin Mass, but wanted to remain in good standing with the Pope. Therefore, the FSSP has always remained in good standing and full communion with Rome, and their priestly members offer the Traditional Latin Mass around the world. From my experience, the priests are very orthodox and are adhere to the teachings of the Church with great fidelity. I highly recommend them.
 
I go to a Latin Mass in Cincinnati that is staffed by FSSP priests. They are very orthodox and take their relationship with The Church seriously. The main priest at Sacred Heart recently did a series of sermons he called The Ten Commandments and subtitled it The things I have to tell you so I don’t go to hell sort of jokingly but also aware that as a priest it is his responsibility to teach the souls in his care what they need to know. When was the last time anybody heard sermons on sin?
 
Thanks for the helpful links and personal insights. It is reassuring to see that others have come away with the same impressions that I have. I have been to a few FSSP masses and have been very impressed with them. From what I have seen it has created an entirely different atmosphere in worship than what I have seen in most churches. They take their faith very seriously and it is reflected in the parishoners.

Anyone else wishing to add their experiences or impressions would also be appreciated.
 
JW55 said:
Thanks for the helpful links and personal insights. It is reassuring to see that others have come away with the same impressions that I have. I have been to a few FSSP masses and have been very impressed with them. From what I have seen it has created an entirely different atmosphere in worship than what I have seen in most churches. They take their faith very seriously and it is reflected in the parishoners.

Anyone else wishing to add their experiences or impressions would also be appreciated.
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I’ve always been very impressed with the FSSP. Their priest are usually young, zealous and have been trained very well in the faith. I’ll be attending an Ignatian retreat offered by two FSSP Priests next month.

The sermons at www.audiosancto.com are from a FSSP Priest and are very good. I recommend them highly.
 
tecvba said:
I go to a Latin Mass in Cincinnati that is staffed by FSSP priests. They are very orthodox and take their relationship with The Church seriously. The main priest at Sacred Heart recently did a series of sermons he called The Ten Commandments and subtitled it The things I have to tell you so I don’t go to hell sort of jokingly but also aware that as a priest it is his responsibility to teach the souls in his care what they need to know. When was the last time anybody heard sermons on sin?
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As regards sermons? So true. We don’t need to hear complete ‘fire and brimstone’ sermons to continue educating / reminding us about our Faith. It seems that what we hear is so much more tempered than in the past.

My question is - As I understand it, FSSP priests were those who wanted to continue saying the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) but not break with Rome. If I’m understanding correctly, SSPX broke from Rome (?? for lack of better words??) not by reason of saying the TLM but by Arch. LeFebvre’s disobedience to the Pope in ordaining new priests? So, please explain how FSSP came into being. Weren’t they (at the beginning) ordained by the Archbishop who had already been excommunicated?) Which came first - the excommunication or the ordinations? What were the conditions by which this Order started? Would appreciate layman’s vs cleric’s terms here, please. I will check links later - maybe, it’s explained there?
 
ConservativeOne said:
My question is - As I understand it, FSSP priests were those who wanted to continue saying the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) but not break with Rome. If I’m understanding correctly, SSPX broke from Rome (?? for lack of better words??) not by reason of saying the TLM but by Arch. LeFebvre’s disobedience to the Pope in ordaining new priests? So, please explain how FSSP came into being. Weren’t they (at the beginning) ordained by the Archbishop who had already been excommunicated?) Which came first - the excommunication or the ordinations? What were the conditions by which this Order started? Would appreciate layman’s vs cleric’s terms here, please. I will check links later - maybe, it’s explained there?
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Originally there was only the SSPX. When the Archbishop Consecrated the Bishops contrary to the will of the Pope, some of the SSPX Priests left and formed the FSSP with the approval of Rome.

Both the FSSP and the SSPX are the fruit of Archbishop Lefebvre. In my opinion, we see with Arbhbishop Lefebvre an analogy with what happened to our Lord when He was put to death. When our Lord’s heart was pierced with the sword, blood and water flowed from it. I see something similar happening with Archbishop Lefebvre. When he was struck with an erroneous declaration that he had incurred and ipso facto excommunication, blood and water flowed from him. The blood and water signify two forms of martyrdom: the SSPX and the FSSP. Both were martyrs during the decades that followed, but each in a slightly different way. The bad martyrs of the SSPX (signified by the red) and the good martyrs of the FSSP (signified by the white) preserved the true faith during the days of apostasy.

I personally think that both groups were positively willed by God to preserve the faith during the past decades. Without the SSPX, Rome under John Paul II would have crushed the FSSP and destroyed them. The SSPX kept Rome in check as Rome was well aware that if it crushed the FSSP, the Priest would have returned to the SSPX. Once our current crisis is over (and we have some good signs already) I would not be surprised if there was again some kind of union between the FSSP and the SSPX. It may be that the FSSP is placed within the apostolic administration that Rome grants to the SSPX. Time will tell.
 
My one point of curiosity regarding the FSSP is whether they were, as a result of their returning to Rome’s good graces (if you will), obliged to say the New Mass? I believe I read somewhere that they were, but I’d be interested in clarification if anyone has it. Also, I “think” this might be the reason for some of the discord that is perceived between the FSSP and the FSSPX?
 
Extempore said:
My one point of curiosity regarding the FSSP is whether they were, as a result of their returning to Rome’s good graces (if you will), obliged to say the New Mass? I believe I read somewhere that they were, but I’d be interested in clarification if anyone has it. Also, I “think” this might be the reason for some of the discord that is perceived between the FSSP and the FSSPX?
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No, they are not obliged. In fact, I believe they need permission from a bishop to say the NO, and only for valid reasons. However, there have been cases where certain priests have left the FSSP to become diocesan priests, in which case, the rules of their former order no longer apply to them.

God bless,
Ut
 
utunumsint said:
No, they are not obliged. In fact, I believe they need permission from a bishop to say the NO, and only for valid reasons. However, there have been cases where certain priests have left the FSSP to become diocesan priests, in which case, the rules of their former order no longer apply to them.

God bless,
Ut
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Thanks for that interesting info (i.e. “needing permission from a bishop to say the NO”).
I didn’t know that. God bless them and keep them strong in their vocations!
 
utunumsint said:
No, they are not obliged. In fact, I believe they need permission from a bishop to say the NO, and only for valid reasons. However, there have been cases where certain priests have left the FSSP to become diocesan priests, in which case, the rules of their former order no longer apply to them.

God bless,
Ut
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Are you certain about that permission from a bishop needed? I had heard otherwise, that they can say it any time though it is not the F.S.S.P.'s desire that this be the case it is a restriction placed on them from Rome.
 
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