Full body scans and pat downs at the airport

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Is this anti Catholic in terms of modesty? Or is it necessary? What are your thoughts?

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I think it’s weird & am glad I’m not traveling this Thanksgiving, but I wonder if this happened under President Bush, would the same folks be complaining?
I kind of think it’s more against the present administration in Washington than anything else.(No, I did NOT vote for Obama!)
 
They’re looking for bombs. It’s quick, it’s embarassing and then it’s over.
 
Well who knows. I am not saying that this will prevent terrorism or crime, but If it does, are the lives and health of the terrorism victims worth the privacy of others being invaded. That is the real question here.
 
I don’t like it at all… I don’t see why they don’t just use dogs to sniff explosives (then they could “scan” everyone in line just by walking by a dog… unlike this random search that doesn’t scan everyone). And a dog isn’t as intrusive. Me thinks it’s more about money (government contracts) than safety.

Anyway, I think the scan itself is anonymous (they blur your face and the person viewing you doesn’t see you in person), so I would say that would be the lesser of two evils.
 
A cold wet nose on your privates, that wouldn’t be any better.
 
Barbkw said:
A cold wet nose on your privates, that wouldn’t be any better.
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A dog doesn’t need to touch you or even stop and sniff you. I’ve seen drug and explosives dogs in action, they literally seem smell it across the room. They don’t need to touch you or have you stand there with your arms up in the air. When I’ve been subject to search by dog at an airport (not sure what the dog was sniffing out) our whole planeful of people literally just stood in a line with our carry ons and the dog trotted by… sometimes stopping to sniff more, but not always. Then they told us we were clear to go.

It just seems cheaper, faster, less intrusive, and better (as in everyone is searched… not just a few).
 
I don’t see why we just don’t put the system that Israel uses in place.

I guess the alternative is to fly naked. :rolleyes:
 
Israel has 2 international airports. My sister’s husband is a Palestinian. He’s lived here in the U.S. for 25 years. When they fly back to Israel to see family, they wait 3 hours before take off and have private “interviews” at the convenience of Israeli surveilance prior to flight.

*“A dog doesn’t need to touch you or even stop and sniff you. I’ve seen drug and explosives dogs in action, they literally seem smell it across the room. They don’t need to touch you or have you stand there with your arms up in the air.” *

I’ve watched Cops on TV, drug handlers get their dog’s nose right up next to the vehicles. Paws all over the cars.

Besides, the accuracy of the dog, is subjective to the talent, ability and training of each dog.
 
Barbkw said:
Israel has 2 international airports. My sister’s husband is a Palestinian. He’s lived here in the U.S. for 25 years. When they fly back to Israel to see family, they wait 3 hours before take off and have private “interviews” at the convenience of Israeli surveilance prior to flight.

*“A dog doesn’t need to touch you or even stop and sniff you. I’ve seen drug and explosives dogs in action, they literally seem smell it across the room. They don’t need to touch you or have you stand there with your arms up in the air.” *

I’ve watched Cops on TV, drug handlers get their dog’s nose right up next to the vehicles. Paws all over the cars.

Besides, the accuracy of the dog, is subjective to the talent, ability and training of each dog.
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Fox News had a segment this weekend with a former El Al official who said they have interviews with every single passenger who flys the airline. At least I think that’s what I understood him to say.
 
NickVA said:
Well who knows. I am not saying that this will prevent terrorism or crime, but If it does, are the lives and health of the terrorism victims worth the privacy of others being invaded.
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Privacy is nice to have, but it doesn’t compare to human LIFE itself.

I, for one, would much rather have someone glancing over a shadowy photo of my breathing body, than the hands of forensic investigators on my mangled form.

(It’s not just people travelling on the planes who are at risk, after all, many folks died on the surface during 9/11 and the Lockerbie, Scotland, attack).

Get real everybody. If you die or are killed, the next you will know is standing before the Throne of Judgment (possibly naked, as well). There is no privacy there.

God bless and ICXC NIKA!
 
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Bearing this in mind, I would like to see the probable cause the TSA has for every man, woman, and child they have searched.
 
Barbkw said:
I’ve watched Cops on TV, drug handlers get their dog’s nose right up next to the vehicles. Paws all over the cars.

Besides, the accuracy of the dog, is subjective to the talent, ability and training of each dog.
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I’ve been subject to sniffer dogs at airports… it was similar to this except that the dog walked by us instead of us walking by it: pond5.com/stock-footage/854138/young-sniffer-dog-working.html. No dogs jumped on me or my luggage.

I think TV shows like Cops over sensationalize things.

As for accuracy, you could say the same about a person searching you or looking at your scan: talent and ability of the person searching.
 
Again, a person. Not a dog.

A handler can not tell when their dog is “lying” or not properly doing his job.

Dogs can be a false positive - no harm done as a search would be conducted without need - (or) a false negative - very bad - allowing bomb material through the screen.

Rather like trusting your life to a piece of testing equipment that only makes an alarm sound upon activation, only to find out later, that the batteries are dead in the test equipment.
 
GEddie said:
Privacy is nice to have, but it doesn’t compare to human LIFE itself. I, for one, would much rather have someone glancing over a shadowy photo of my breathing body, than the hands of forensic investigators on my mangled form.
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I agree. Get in the scanner, get searched, or get lost.
 
I don’t like it at all either; it has certainly discouraged me from flying.

I thought it was bad enough being treated like cattle and herded through the metal detectors, taking shoes off, and several stops along the way to boarding the plane. Nonsense! What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? The onus is NOT on me to prove I am a regular, law-abiding, citizen.

I cannot believe how many people sheepishly go along with whatever Big Government deigns to impose on them. Or to go even further, and actually encourage them. Isn’t this what our countries fought against in several wars?! What is next? Will we be required to present Ausweis to cross different sectors of a city (like in the former East Germany)? Perhaps instead of mailing letters in sealed envelopes we should be required to send all our mail as postcards, to ensure no seditious correspondence is taking place. I don’t like the direction things are going at all!
 
The thing is however, these planes do not belong to the government. They are regulated by the government, but the companies who own the planes are private.

I would not have my planes or my employees fly passengers and luggage that was not properly searched.
 
Barbkw said:
I would not have my planes or my employees fly passengers and luggage that was not properly searched.
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Well hopefully more will do like I am doing and deny these companies my money. I wrote SW and told them I would be flying with them no more under the current TSA regime. Let them fly their planes with empty seats and see how long this madness lasts.
 
aball1035 said:
Is this anti Catholic in terms of modesty? Or is it necessary? What are your thoughts?

If this already has an open thread, a link would be appreciated
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They are an unnecessary violation of privacy, it is insanely expensive and it significantly delays the time one needs to get aboard a plane.
First one has to go into the scanner and get into a certain position, then the scan is taken and then a person in a different room will give the clearance. That takes a lot longer than going through the scans today. On top of that it will take even more time if someone opts out of the scan and is padded down as they have to bring in another person to do the padding. That person then will use their hands and even feel around the breasts and between the legs.
On top of that it is not clear what effect the radiation would have on the body…
 
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