Full of Grace--a question

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If the Blessed Mother was “full of grace” when the Angel Gabriel came to her with a message from God, what was she after she conceived of the Holy Spirit???
 
I’m not sure what the question is. Is there a paradox or contradiction that we should address?
 
The mother of God.
Full of grace means: infused with the light of the Holy Spirit, infused with the theological virtues, meaning she acts in faith when she hears the word sent from God via Gabriel, she acts in hope when she goes to visit her relative Elizabeth proclaiming her Magnificat, and she acts in love when she raises her baby telling him that he is the Messiah and finally telling him that they ran out of wine.

Conceived by the Holy Spirit means that Mary knows the same thing that the Holy Spirit knows, the same thing that God the Father Knows; she knows that she is having a baby just as the Father knows about her and in co-operation it comes to pass. Conception happens when there is a joint to knowing (https://softvocation.org/2018/05/24/knowing/ ).

John Martin
 
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Interesting… and I did go read the blog. I was thinking more of Mary being full of grace and then being full of Jesus in her womb. What would that be called? Full of?? Full of God?
 
State of Grace is the condition of a person who is free from mortal sin and pleasing to God. It is the state of being in God’s friendship and the necessary condition of the soul at death in order to attain heaven.
 
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petra22 said:
what was she after she conceived of the Holy Spirit???
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Pregnant!

CCC #484 - 486
484 The Annunciation to Mary inaugurates “the fullness of time”,119 the time of the fulfillment of God’s promises and preparations. Mary was invited to conceive him in whom the “whole fullness of deity” would dwell “bodily”.120 The divine response to her question, “How can this be, since I know not man?”, was given by the power of the Spirit: "The Holy Spirit will come upon you."121

485 The mission of the Holy Spirit is always conjoined and ordered to that of the Son.122 The Holy Spirit, “the Lord, the giver of Life”, is sent to sanctify the womb of the Virgin Mary and divinely fecundate it, causing her to conceive the eternal Son of the Father in a humanity drawn from her own.
 
She was still full of grace. And also, she was pregnant with Jesus.

“Full of Grace” means, as John_Martin said, she was very virtuous, faithful to God’s will. It was a greeting. It didn’t refer to her being physically full of something.

Mary was clearly “full of grace” her entire life.
 
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So being pregnant with Jesus added nothing to Mary’s fullness of grace? No other adjective accounts for the singular treasure…? hmmmm
 
Mother of God is the title that she received.
 
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I heard this term “full of grace” was not used to describe another person in the bible. Did someone say St. Stephen was described this way?
 
John_Martin said:
Conceived by the Holy Spirit means that Mary knows the same thing that the Holy Spirit knows, the same thing that God the Father Knows; she knows that she is having a baby just as the Father knows about her and in co-operation it comes to pass.
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Being full of grace would not make Mary know what the Father knows…what the spirit knows. Mary was full of grace BEFORE she conceived… right?
 
petra22 said:
Conceived by the Holy Spirit means that Mary knows the same thing that the Holy Spirit knows, the same thing that God the Father Knows; she knows that she is having a baby just as the Father knows about her and in co-operation it comes to pass.
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“Conceived” is a term indicating “knowing”.
Gabriel informed her “knowing”.
Infused Grace filled her - she recognized what was from God, as was Gabriel’s message. Gabriel “made her know what the Father Knows,” and being full of grace enabled her to believe what Gabriel told her.
The “Conception” of giving birth to the Messiah was in her “Knowing” now when Gabriel related the LORD’s “Knowing” to her.
The Co-Knowing of Mary and God effected the reality of the human Jesus. The “Concept” became the reality.

John Martin
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Could she be(or has she been) called the tree of life, tabernacle of the most high, vessel of honor?
 
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So being pregnant with Jesus added nothing to Mary’s fullness of grace? No other adjective accounts for the singular treasure…? hmmmm
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Not sure what you’re looking for here. If you’re seeking some title of Mary to describe her when pregnant, then others have already mentioned Mother of God, Theotokos, God-bearer, and there are a whole bunch more Marian titles referring to her pregnancy in the Litany of Loreto, about 10 of them starting with “Mother of…” and additional titles like “Vessel of honor”. If you are not familiar with this litany you may want to read it.
It (grace) did permeate her being, right?
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Grace is not a physical substance, but spiritual. Permeating her being is not the same as being physically full of some physical substance.
 
Are you saying that Mary became omniscient, knowing all that God knows?
 
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Are you saying that Mary became omniscient, knowing all that God knows?
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I believe I said that “Gabriel told her” God’s knowing about the birth of her son: to expect it. And so, she expected it, the birth of her son, just as God expected the birth of her son. Therefore, there was an identical conception about the birth of her son in both Mary and God (God and Mary knowing together the same thing meant joint causation of co-operation), and Jesus was born.
The only way to do God’s will is to know the will of God, to have the same knowing as God’s knowing.

John Martin
 
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