"Fun" with a group of KJV 1611 onlyists

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I found this site that had a forum that was bashing Catholics terribly. Being very new to apologetics, I signed up to defend my faith. It was quite a frustrating experience to say the least. It wasn’t so much that I became discouraged, it was more along the lines that they just would not look at what you wrote so much as attacked the messanger every time something was written that they don’t agree with.

Has anyone here ever dealt with a KJV onlyist (1611 only to boot) regarding apoligetics? I would be interested to read about your experiences (as well as if you made any headway) with these types of people.

For those interested, the site I was at was:

p197.ezboard.com/fformercatholicsforchristfrm1

My sign on was miko33
 
I often wonder about these people: if they say that the KJV is the “perfect” and only Bible to adhere to, then what about those who before the KJV had no access to it? I find their arguments quite amusing.
 
I wonder what they will say to non-English speaking people who read the Bible in an other language than English.
 
Sunniva,
I had the same thought as you did concerning translations of the bible in other languages. Alas I did not get a chance to ask. I officially posted to the group that I will no longer post there. Already I feel happier for it. 🙂

I am very new to appologetics, but it is something I would like to do. However, I definately lost my patience there (but not nearly as bad as they were!).

Good riddance!
 
Oh, that forum was painful. I can’t believe people can be so bigoted… Were you AB, MVH? The posts I saw of yours were very good; I think you would make a good apologist 🙂
 
No, I was miko33. Hope you think I still have the makings of a good apologist. 🙂

I gave it my best shot as a “newbie”. Unfortunately, I got a little perturbed (I think it showed a little too, unfortunately).

I took the advice of a few people on the thread you started about Protestant Forums. There was a section threatening to “ban” all of us Catholics from the site if we got “too uppity”. I told them to not to bother, I know how to show myself out.
 
I read all your posts. All I can say is that it is a truly lost cause. The people there seem to be so blinded by lies that I doubt that you will ever even be able to plant a seed, let alone get any constructive dialogue. Congratulations for trying though!
 
Well a good place to start would be to inform them that the original KJV Bibles DID HAVE the DeuteroCanonical books (ie the Apocrypha to them). Ask them why it was removed when the original KJVs did contain them.
They should have fun with that.
 
Would a KJV 1611 (or any other edition) onlyist agree with Jesus that we should act in such a way so that we are worshipped?

As it is written in Luke14:8-10:

When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him; And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room. But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

Since the KJV1611 is perfect then it is obviously fine for us to receive worship.

Somewhere I sense something is wrong!

The people you are debating with don’t seem to like catholicism much. Here’s the original preface to the 1611 KJV written by the translators. You will notice some interesting names among the people quoted. I wonder how many of those Catholic scholars and even Popes quoted would be counted by those debating among the group going to hell.

jesus-is-lord.com/pref1611.htm

Wishing you good fortune, and much answered prayer in your discussions.
 
Cor, there’s lot of space between my paragraphs isn’t there? Sorry about that, I don’t know where they came from as they weren’t apparent when the post was submitted.
 
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Sunniva:
I wonder what they will say to non-English speaking people who read the Bible in an other language than English.
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I read in a book of Texas quotes some good ol’ boy Texas politician (wish I could remember who he was) that said, “If English was good enough for Jesus, it should be good enough for Texas”. So it must be that English was the official language of the Holy Land over 2000 years ago. I’m not sure when that changed.
 
Besides there home page, here’s the first thing I saw.
THIS THREAD IS FOR FORMER CATHOLICS AND AND CHRISTIAN POSTING ONLY!

NO CATHOLICS WILL BE TOLERATED TO POST HERE!

IF YOU POST, YOU WILL BE BANNED WITHOUT NOTICE!

IF YOU READ SOMETHING AND DESIRE TO START A NEW TOPIC, YOU MAY DO SO, HOWEVER YOU CAN’T POST HERE!
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How can you dialogue with people like that?
 
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CalledtoServe:
Besides there home page, here’s the first thing I saw.

How can you dialogue with people like that?
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You can’t. You just have to pray for God to open their ears, eyes, and hearts.

They don’t WANT to hear right now. You will never get through to them.
 
I think its a great thing for Catholics to post on sites like theirs. Especially when its done in the civil and Christian manner, in which miko33 and AssyrianBoona were doing a great job of. I think it helps outsiders see the kind of vitirol/name calling/etc… done by the regulars of that forum. True we may not be able to convert the regulars there by our posts but hopefully we are making lurkers and others that view the forum aware of what they are getting themselves into with that crowd.

One post in particular shocked me:
p197.ezboard.com/fformercatholicsforchristfrm1.showMessage?topicID=9885.topic

I couldn’t believe how QUICKLY it turned to attacks on AssyrianBoona. Do they honestly think calling people names is doing the work of Christ?

One paragraph I found most amusing:
Here we go with another self righteous whiny Roman Catholic pretending being insulted and offended. Everforo is it just me or does every RC that comes to these forums end up feigning indignance?
I wonder why RC that go to that forum feel insulted and offended? Very curious indeed.

I wish I had the patience and knowledge to post at sites like that hopefully in time I will aquire these traits to do so.

One last thing thanks for trying over there MVH(miko33) it was a valient effort and hopefully you were able to convince some people to stay away from their forum.
 
I found this site that had a forum that was bashing Catholics terribly

But it’s okay if people bash Protestants on THIS board? Sorry, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
Hi all!

One cannot have a genuine dialogue with such bigots. Seeing the viciousness of the venom they spew against Catholics, I don’t even want to think about they might have to say about Jews.:eek:

How do you deal with KJV 1611 onlyists? Point out instances in which the KJV translation is just plain wrong, i.e. in which it does not at all jibe with the original Hebrew. I’ll give you a ferinstance.

Genesis 33 tells us about the meeting, their first in many years, between Jacob and Esau. It also has a wonderful lesson on materialism and the source of true happiness.

Esau asks Jacob , “What do you mean by all this camp which I met?”, regarding the latter’s lavish gifts (referred to in Gen. 32:14-16). Jacob replies that the gifts are, “to find favor in the sight of my lord *.” Esau initially dismisses his brother’s gifts. Most translations (including the KJV) have Esau saying, “I have enough.” I happen to be a Hebrew-to-English translator (with 12 years’ experience) & this is wrong. The New American Standard Bible’s “I have plenty,” and Young’s, “I have abundance,” are better. In the original Hebrew, Esau says Yesh li rav, literally, “I have much/alot.” But Jacob insists that Esau accept the gifts (which he eventually does) and tells his brother that, “God has dealt graciously with me, and because I have all.” (The KJV’s “I have enough” is simply wrong. In Hebrew, Jacob says, Yesh li kol, literally, “I have all.” Young gets it right; Darby’s “I have everything” is pretty close.)

Our Sages contrast Esau’s “I have much” with Jacob’s “I have all.” Our Sages teach that while Jacob certainly was not poor, Esau was far wealthier than him (Didn’t Esau meet his brother with 400 men? Retaining 400 men is no mean expense!). So how could Jacob say, “I have all,” against his far wealthier brother’s, “I have much”? Our Sages teach that Esau was the materialist par excellance, that he lived for riches and material things of this world. Such people are never satisfied, no matter how much they have, even if it’s a lot; it’s never enough, they are not content and want more. (Like Ecclesiastes 5:9 tells us: “He who loves silver will not be satisfied with silver; nor he that loves abundance, with increase; this is also vanity.”) Even though Esau was very wealthy, all he could say was, “I have much.” But Jacob was a spiritual man who knew that material things are transitory and who knew what was really important. He had a God, children & wives whom he loved & who loved him; therefore, he could truly say, “I have all.”

Our 2nd century CE sage, Ben Zoma, says, “Who is rich? He who is happy with his portion.” Jacob would have agreed fully; Esau would have had no idea what our sage was talking about.

Not only is the KJV wrong in this case but in being wrong it misses a great moral lesson.

If somebody wants to post this on the KJV-only site, please go right ahead. I’d be fascinated to see what kind of response it gets.

Be well!

ssv 👋*
 
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Lilyofthevalley:
But it’s okay if people bash Protestants on THIS board? Sorry, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
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When reasonable people of any stripe post on this board as a couple of our members did there and become subject to the obnoxious responses such as the ones in that link in the post above yours, please point them out.

I’ve never seen that kind of name-calling here on this board.

The moderators and admins over there are actually ringleaders with the insults and lies. Guess they don’t understand the meaning of the noun, “moderator.” :rolleyes:

The terror on that board is nearly palpable. They are very much threatened - it’s clear in their dripping sarcasm and hateful rhetoric.

If that were my first exposure to Christianity, I would never want anything to do with it again as long as I live. :nope:
 
Elizabeth the droll Newman quotes floating around Catholic Answers certainly insults Protestants. Or the thread about The Methodists with the lesbian pastor…

As for the “Former Catholic For Christ”. They are pretty idiotic and not worth the time. Especially the moderators.
 
Does their Bible have the deuterocanonicals in it?

No?

Then it’s not a 1611 KJV; it’s most likely a 4th revision of ?1769? (haven’t had a chance to look up the year).

1611-KJV-onlyests don’t have a clue about that.

DaveBj
 
wow these people really are special :o . I just registered(under same name). The interesting thing is, I see no difference b/w the comments and emotions of the “anti Catholics” and the various posters on racist/nationalist forums that I also post on. They both use various slurs, as well as attacking posters when they can’t come up with actual responses(and of course the age old technique of correcting spelling/grammar,LOL). sigh, I guess even “Christians” can hate to such a degree. Fine examples of “Christians”, these people are. I’ll stick to my heathenry from the Whore of Babylon, thank you very much.lol.
 
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