Fun with protestant ministers

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As a Protestant minister, I find no humor whatsoever in this thread title, regardless of what school of apologetics one is from. Moreover, it is starting to reinforce my conviction that just as there are Protestants who are bigoted and disparaging about Catholics (for which there is no excuse), there are, sadly, some Catholics that act similarly toward Protestants.

I guess you can go ahead and have your “fun.” It is a Catholic Board, after all.

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O.S. Luke:
As a Protestant minister, I find no humor whatsoever in this thread title, regardless of what school of apologetics one is from. Moreover, it is starting to reinforce my conviction that just as there are Protestants who are bigoted and disparaging about Catholics (for which there is no excuse), there are, sadly, some Catholics that act similarly toward Protestants.

I guess you can go ahead and have your “fun.” It is a Catholic Board, after all.

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i agree with the above. we all can be guilty. both sides. it just easier to find others flaws when we feel we are being done the injustice, but here it is no different.
 
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jim1130:
Peace.

I do not think the intent was to make fun of the minister, but rather present the misrepresentations that often occur in non-Catholic churches. The minister may be a swell person, but, similar to many non-Catholic leaders of congregations, is his own pope and magesterium. From his presentation, the emphasis is solely on the Bible (i.e., Sola Scriptura, and if it is not in the Bible it does not count; and if it is in the Bible and Catholics practice it then it is misinterpreted by the Catholics and does not count) and even in that he does not reveal the fullness of the truth. Tragically, he is truly limited in the breadth and scope of his knowledge. If this minister is misguided by the examples cited, how can this minister accurately explain John 6 to his congregation?

In the end, why settle for fast food when you are invited to a gourmet banquet?

Peace.
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You’re preaching to the choir here. I completely agree with you. What I take issue with is the tone of the OP and presentation of this minister’s earnest words. The OP did not tell this man (I’m assuming) that his written word was going to be put on a Catholic message board to ‘open up a discussion on confession’ and to have some fun with. The minister cannot even explain his position in full because he is not here. It is almost like a set-up. Maybe it is not what the OP intended but it sure comes across like that.

And, O.S. Luke, I would like to sincerely apologize if you are offended. Yes, bigotry and disparagement comes in all colors.
 
One thing that has helped me with this is to understand it in light of Biblical context. In other words, are there scriptures elsewhere that give people (even priests or clergy) the authority to forgive sins? None that I know of.
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I haven’t read this whole thread so a thousand pardons if this is a repeat.

Matthew 9 is another scripture which shows that people have the authority to forgive sins.

Matt 9:6,8- the son of man has authority on earth to fogive sin…God…had given such authority to men.

Notice “men” is plural. Scripture is talking multiple people, human beings here.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂 *
 
I am sure that the original poster wasn’t in the same category as the people who bash the Catholic Church based on bias, strawmen and outright lies. It is amusing to see the contradictions presented by some of these responses, but it might have been a poor thread title.

I myself am a pastor, since I signed up to be one at ULC on the web. This I will use to discuss the faith with my brother who has joined a fundamentalist church, in order to illustrate the invalidity of his pastor as being a pastor. He is just a guy who people decided should be pastor so he is a pastor. I am one too.

This is not to make fun of the people who take their pastor postion seriously, but it is important to illustrate these points, which is the only way I will get this point across to my brother, that I can think of right now.

This is a big difference between me setting up a strawman attack like saying, he worships the Bible, or eats babies, whatever crazy thing people decide to setup as a strawman, then attack that as wrong.

God Bless
Scylla
 
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Catholic4aReasn:
I haven’t read this whole thread so a thousand pardons if this is a repeat.

Matthew 9 is another scripture which shows that people have the authority to forgive sins.

Matt 9:6,8- the son of man has authority on earth to fogive sin…God…had given such authority to men.

Notice “men” is plural. Scripture is talking multiple people, human beings here.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
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Priests and men forgive on behalf of God. There is an important distinction there. Man, by and of himself alone, has no authority to forgive sins. It is through the grace of God that the priest declares the sins forgiven…He is acting in the place of God.
 
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sadie2723:
I love hearing what the other side is saying.

as I thought you guys might enjoy the read. This is why I became a Catholic…right here:

Now for some fun, this was the response that I got.
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Definetly calling you out.

and a thought if you are “going to war” with your future father in law

Then a suggestion, dont make him a future father in law.

what good will come of a marriage built on this?? This world has enough hurt.

and one more thing since when is protestants “the other side”

and this attitude of others bashing so we can too, didnt anyones mother ever say “If Johnny jumped off the bridge would you too”?

Sorry but these things truly make my soul cringe. I wonder if there will be anyone in Heaven if we cant even get along on a stupid message board. 😦
 
Hi Sadie,
In that same vein all priesthood, whether the ordained priesthood (bishop, priest or deacon) or the common priesthood of all believers, is a participation in the one Priesthood of Christ. All grace and all authority comes from Him, but it is real authority. One who is ordained a bishop or priest has the authority from Jesus to absolve sins. The forgiveness comes by way of the merits of Christ through His atonement on the cross, but the bishop or priest does have the actual authority to dispense that forgiveness to the repentent sinner.
God love you,
Paul
 
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PaulDupre:
Hi Sadie,
In that same vein all priesthood, whether the ordained priesthood (bishop, priest or deacon) or the common priesthood of all believers, is a participation in the one Priesthood of Christ. All grace and all authority comes from Him, but it is real authority. One who is ordained a bishop or priest has the authority from Jesus to absolve sins. The forgiveness comes by way of the merits of Christ through His atonement on the cross, but the bishop or priest does have the actual authority to dispense that forgiveness to the repentent sinner.
God love you,
Paul
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Thanks for saying what I was trying to say!
 
Congrats to all of the rabid people out there that think I was out to hurt someone. i was not. Sorry if I offended anyone.

Goodness people, the point of the whole thing was to show that the minister could not support his claim, and in doing so stimulate some discussion of confession. If I had meant to intimidate him, I would have titled the thread “How to humiliate a Protestant”. I did not. Let’s discuss and not make a bigger deal out of this than it is.

If I offended you, please take a moment to defend this guys original statement in a way that he failed to do. If you can’t…there should be nothing to be critical of.
 
I am curious as you mention your future in-laws, and one way to NOT start a marriage is by antagonizing your future in-laws. Since you aren’t married, your girlfriend’s duty of “obedience” is to them under the 4th commandment and they have plenty of time to talk her out of it. 😉

Also, is your future spouse catholic or is she converting? If not, how is it you intend to marry her and remain within the graces of the church? Being that I am not in union with Rome, I am just curious as to how those who are think about these issues. 🙂
 
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PaulDupre:
Hi Sadie,
In that same vein all priesthood, whether the ordained priesthood (bishop, priest or deacon) or the common priesthood of all believers, is a participation in the one Priesthood of Christ. All grace and all authority comes from Him, but it is real authority. One who is ordained a bishop or priest has the authority from Jesus to absolve sins. The forgiveness comes by way of the merits of Christ through His atonement on the cross, but the bishop or priest does have the actual authority to dispense that forgiveness to the repentent sinner.
God love you,
Paul
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So see if I follow you right.

With what you said and the pastor the difference is the bishop or priest has real authority to dispense forgiveness.

And the pastor he explains that he will tell people that they are forgiven if they believe in the gospel. He does not claim he personally can forgive just tell people that if they believe then they can be forgiven.
 
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gelsbern:
I am curious as you mention your future in-laws, and one way to NOT start a marriage is by antagonizing your future in-laws. Since you aren’t married, your girlfriend’s duty of “obedience” is to them under the 4th commandment and they have plenty of time to talk her out of it. 😉

Also, is your future spouse catholic or is she converting? If not, how is it you intend to marry her and remain within the graces of the church? Being that I am not in union with Rome, I am just curious as to how those who are think about these issues. 🙂
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No problem. My girlfriend is considering conversion, and her parents are pretty angry about it. I am not in the business of antagonizing them. Rather, I only wanted to see the minister prove this his points in the surmon were based on something in scripture as opposed to his personal agenda. This was the issue that drove me away from the Protestant faith. Consistantly, ministers could not prove what they were teaching in scripture. That just did not do it for me. So, I challenged this minister on it to see if he could pull it off…he could not.

Thanks for your comments!
 
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sadie2723:
Congrats to all of the rabid people out there that think I was out to hurt someone. i was not. Sorry if I offended anyone.
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Then you could have said ya know I went to this church and wrote the pastor and this was his response. It doesnt seem to me to correct what does everyone think??

Still calling ya out, 😃 too many of us to have a “group illusion” of what you said, really guy it was harsh whether you think or not.
 
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Writer:
Priests and men forgive on behalf of God. There is an important distinction there. Man, by and of himself alone, has no authority to forgive sins. It is through the grace of God that the priest declares the sins forgiven…He is acting in the place of God.
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Yep!! :yup:

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
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sadie2723:
No problem. My girlfriend is considering conversion, and her parents are pretty angry about it. I am not in the business of antagonizing them. Rather, I only wanted to see the minister prove this his points in the surmon were based on something in scripture as opposed to his personal agenda. This was the issue that drove me away from the Protestant faith. Consistantly, ministers could not prove what they were teaching in scripture. That just did not do it for me. So, I challenged this minister on it to see if he could pull it off…he could not.

Thanks for your comments!
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May I ask what you will do if she doesn’t convert?
 
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gelsbern:
May I ask what you will do if she doesn’t convert?
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Sure you can. In the event that she did not convert, I would not leave her. I would stay with her, but maintain a few understandings: we would get married in the Catholic Church, we would raise the children Catholic…etc. And, if at some point she decided to complete converstion…all the better.
 
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sadie2723:
Sure you can. In the event that she did not convert, I would not leave her. I would stay with her, but maintain a few understandings: we would get married in the Catholic Church, we would raise the children Catholic…etc. And, if at some point she decided to complete converstion…all the better.
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Aren’t we supposed to not be unequally yoked though? This question comes from someone in a mixed marraige who has experience the difficulties this can bring.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
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Catholic4aReasn:
Aren’t we supposed to not be unequally yoked though? This question comes from someone in a mixed marraige who has experience the difficulties this can bring.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
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This is a personal thing…but I like a challenge. And, I know her to be very reasonable.

Thanks!
 
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sadie2723:
This is a personal thing…but I like a challenge. And, I know her to be very reasonable.

Thanks!
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I can understand that, but that doesn’t really address the question.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
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