Fundamentalism and the Search for God

[MartinJordan]

But some say the Speaker of Words such as this are not from God?

There are elements of God’s Truth.

When Words such as this return to God with a transformed and divinised human heart attached to them, I am often reminded of Isaiah 55:11

Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the
Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up[g] from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.

34 The crowd spoke up, “We have heard from the Law that the Messiah will remain forever, so how can you say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this ‘Son of Man’?”

35 Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going. 36 Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.

Belief and Unbelief Among the Jews
37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:

“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”[h]
39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:

40 “He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”*
41 Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.

42 Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not openly acknowledge their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved human praise more than praise from God. of this world will be driven out.

These Words that create a new race of men with transformed hearts, sacrificing their all for the one God, come from God, and the Messenger delivering that Word is also from God, the Word made flesh.

Look at the fruits Martin.

Seek the fruits and within each you will see the seed down by God Himself, through His Word made flesh, whether that’s Moses, Christ, Zoroaster, Muhammad, the Bab or Baha’u’llah

God bless you.

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We’ve already discussed about the fruits and it comes from the Church who put these experiences of the Church for the Church to refer to.

Peace be with you

MJ*

 

[Servant19]

There are elements of God’s Truth.

I’m talking about the Revealer of Gods Truth.
If Gods Truth is revealed long long before Jesus uttered a Word, then what does that say about Krishna and Buddha and Moses and Zoroaster?

Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the
Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up[g] from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.

34 The crowd spoke up, “We have heard from the Law that the Messiah will remain forever, so how can you say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this ‘Son of Man’?”

35 Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going. 36 Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.

Belief and Unbelief Among the Jews
37 Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. 38 This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:

“Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”[h]
39 For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:

40 “He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their hearts,
so they can neither see with their eyes,
nor understand with their hearts,
nor turn—and I would heal them.”*
41 Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.

42 Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not openly acknowledge their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved human praise more than praise from God. of this world will be driven out.

We’ve already discussed about the fruits and it comes from the Church who put these experiences of the Church for the Church to refer to.

Peace be with you

MJ*

What is the meaning of fruits Martin? What is your understanding?

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[MartinJordan]

I’m talking about the Revealer of Gods Truth.
If Gods Truth is revealed long long before Jesus uttered a Word, then what does that say about Krishna and Buddha and Moses and Zoroaster?

Jesus existed from the beginning. And you know that.

What is the meaning of fruits Martin? What is your understanding?

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What Jesus said. That’s why we are Baptised so that we follow Him as per the Father’s Will.

Peace be with you.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

Jesus existed from the beginning. And you know that.

Ok, so let’s go with that. Why would you then deny Jesus speaking through Krishna? Speaking through Zoroaster and Buddha? And today through Baha’u’llah?

What Jesus said. That’s why we are Baptised so that we follow Him as per the Father’s Will.

Peace be with you.

MJ

What fruits are seen in the Church that is not seen in a Saint?

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[MartinJordan]

Ok, so let’s go with that. Why would you then deny Jesus speaking through Krishna? Speaking through Zoroaster and Buddha? And today through Baha’u’llah?

What do you mean deny Jesus?

What fruits are seen in the Church that is not seen in a Saint?

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You will have to understand Jesus first before talking about fruits.

Peace be with you.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

What do you mean deny Jesus?

Aren’t you saying that it is Jesus who is speaking when Buddha said “Love one another as you would love yourself”? Or where Baha’u’llah states that “blessed is he that prefereth his brother before himself” it is actually the Words of Jesus?

You will have to understand Jesus first before talking about fruits.

Peace be with you.

MJ

Please assist with my understanding.

My understanding currently is from Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.

Please advance my understanding beyond that.



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[TonyBS]

As i said, you seem to still searching.

However:

**Now may the God of peace, **who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21 equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. Hebrews 13:20

Peace be with you.

MJ

“And this is the judgment, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were wrong.”

• John 3:19

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

Aren’t you saying that it is Jesus who is speaking when Buddha said “Love one another as you would love yourself”? Or where Baha’u’llah states that “blessed is he that prefereth his brother before himself” it is actually the Words of Jesus?

No. Elements of Truth of God but not Spiritually direct from God like when the Son emptied himself to appear as slave and spoke the Eternal Truth.

Please assist with my understanding.

My understanding currently is from Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.

Please advance my understanding beyond that.

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The moment one uses the Gospel to look for understanding, is a tacit search for the Truth of Christ who built his Church to convey this Good News.

Now let’s move more deeper into the Good News after Galatians 5:22 -23

Galatians 5:24:

24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us **keep in step with the Spirit. **26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Peace be with you.

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

“And this is the judgment, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were wrong.”

• John 3:19

God Bless and Regards Tony

Not sure what you are getting at because 19 is a continuation from John 3:16-18

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Peace be with you.

MJ

 

[Servant19]

No. Elements of Truth of God but not Spiritually direct from God like when the Son emptied himself to appear as slave and spoke the Eternal Truth.

So who was responsible for saying what was uttered from the Buddha’s mouth that transformed the hearts of men for centuries?

And what gives you the authority to say that God can only speak through a Person who has “emptied himself to appear as a slave”?

The moment one uses the Gospel to look for understanding, is a tacit search for the Truth of Christ who built his Church to convey this Good News.

Now let’s move more deeper into the Good News after Galatians 5:22 -23

Galatians 5:24:

24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us **keep in step with the Spirit. **26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Peace be with you.

MJ

Not confined only to “those who belong to Jesus Christ” Martin?

Look at the evidences around you in the world, in your country, in your community, in your street maybe even.

I see those who belong to Christ who live by the Spirit, and I see those who “say” they belong to Christ who live by the flesh.
I see those who belong to Baha’u’llah who live by the Spirit, and I see those who “say” they belong to Baha’u’llah who live by the flesh.

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[TonyBS]

Not sure what you are getting at because 19 is a continuation from John 3:16-18

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Peace be with you.

MJ

Dear Martin - Those who love the Light prove it by their deeds I think is the gift of what that passage is all about.

Servant has given more thoughts above about this.

I had the bounty to meet Servant the other night. My heart sang witnessing family and friends live a Faith.

I hope one day we can also meet. Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

Dear Martin - Those who love the Light prove it by their deeds I think is the gift of what that passage is all about.

Servant has given more thoughts above about this.

I had the bounty to meet Servant the other night. My heart sang witnessing family and friends live a Faith.

I hope one day we can also meet. Regards Tony

God bless you brother

You were the light at our dinner table. Your life is an example of Spirit, what sacrifices you have made for Baha’u’llah, you’ve forsaken everything in His Path and like a candle that forsakes itself to shed its light, the Light of Baha shone from you for all to see. Even my son who was buried in his book all night commented, later that night, on your Spirit.

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[MartinJordan]

So who was responsible for saying what was uttered from the Buddha’s mouth that transformed the hearts of men for centuries?

I have no inclination to follow anyone else but the Son of God who has the Authority. I’m not sure why you are having such a hard time to understand the Peace of Christ. The Gospel is Eternal Truth.

And what gives you the authority to say that God can only speak through a Person who has “emptied himself to appear as a slave”?

Don’t judge me as if I’m claiming Authority. However I do claim the the Peace of Christ is life giving and the promise of repentance Beatific, Praise the Lord my soul!

Not confined only to “those who belong to Jesus Christ” Martin?

Look at the evidences around you in the world, in your country, in your community, in your street maybe even.

I see those who belong to Christ who live by the Spirit, and I see those who “say” they belong to Christ who live by the flesh.
I see those who belong to Baha’u’llah who live by the Spirit, and I see those who “say” they belong to Baha’u’llah who live by the flesh.

I believe when Jesus said: Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

Peace be with you.

MJ

 

[TonyBS]

I believe when Jesus said: Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

Peace be with you. MJ

This is the Light.

Be lovers of the Light no Matter where it shines

Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

Dear Martin - Those who love the Light prove it by their deeds I think is the gift of what that passage is all about.

Which one?

Peace be with you.

MJ

 

[MartinJordan]

This is the Light.

Be lovers of the Light no Matter where it shines

Regards Tony

What does Lovers of the light mean? What light are you speaking of? Because the Gospel is talking about Jesus as the Light.

Peace be with you

MJ

 

[TonyBS]

What does Lovers of the light mean? What light are you speaking of? Because the Gospel is talking about Jesus as the Light.

Peace be with you

MJ

I am talking about the Gospel light that was Jesus. To love this light no matter where it shines is to see that same light manifest in all the Messengers of God.

God bless always and

Regards Tony

 

[MartinJordan]

I am talking about the Gospel light that was Jesus. To love this light no matter where it shines is to see that same light manifest in all the Messengers of God.

God bless always and

Regards Tony

Where did Jesus say he “was a light” or a messenger? You have been given a great privilege to have the Gospel in your hands. Please do justice to the claim if the**Gospel **passage in it’s context that shows Jesus was a light and a messenger and one of many and further to come apparently.

Peace be with you.

MJ

 

[TonyBS]

Where did Jesus say he “was a light” or a messenger? You have been given a great privilege to have the Gospel in your hands. Please do justice to the claim if the**Gospel **passage in it’s context that shows Jesus was a light and a messenger and one of many and further to come apparently.

Peace be with you.

MJ

Jesus own words as to being a Prophet/Messenger who speaks of what God tells Him to say and that God is His and Our Lord.

Luke 13:33 “Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem”.

Matthew 13:7 “And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house”.

John 12:49“For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak.”

Deuteronomy 18:18 “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him”

John 7:16“Jesus answered them and said, ‘My doctrine is not mine, but His who sent me.’”

Mark 12:29"29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:"

Regards Tony

 

[TonyBS]

Where did Jesus say he “was a light” or a messenger? You have been given a great privilege to have the Gospel in your hands. Please do justice to the claim if the**Gospel **passage in it’s context that shows Jesus was a light and a messenger and one of many and further to come apparently. Peace be with you.

MJ

John 8:12 "When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life”.

John 9:5 “While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world.”

John 12:35 "So Jesus said to them, “For a little while longer the Light is among you Walk while you have the Light, so that darkness will not overtake you; he who walks in the darkness does not know where he go”.

Regards Tony