Fundamentalism as "Orthodoxism"

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He says that the Orthodox Church is anti-western. But I don’t see where he mentions the fact that there is a western rite approved and in use in Orthodoxy.

 
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I found an interesting illustrative example.
Yes, according to some Orthodox saints, the gift of tears is an important penitential gift. John Climacus puts it on the par with baptism! Yes, to live is to suffer (Woody Allen/ Dostoevsky/Greek poets)…but from the other side , not so much talking about the gift of tears but the tendency to romanticize suffering, it fuels a lack of interest in social ethics and abusive pastoral practices. And as we see the image of people showing up to worship looking so downcast and depressed a dubious paradigm of piety. What is your idea? What do you think ?
 
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This is controversial at best…plus they’ve “Byzantinized” it, so to speak, adding an explicit Epiclesis. The Antiochians used to have a Western Rite as well.
 
“Christianity is also the fruit of Judaism’s intersection with classical Greek culture, and so by right belongs to the West.”" Judaism is an Eastern religion. And see more common traits between Jewish practice and words and the Orthodox Church than with the Roman Catholic Church - the term we use as “gehenna” for Purgatory/Hades (gehenna is from the Talmud), calling the Old Covenant the Old Church, the major OT prophets depicted as saints in Orthodox churches, praying while standing (the akathist), the practice of praying using Psalms.
There is deaf fundamentalism in Orthodoxy, there is also justified fundamentalism who listens to the Eccumenical movement and points out errors and there is fake fundamentalism of those who only seek self-worship and copy/paste the words of the Holy Fathers. But this article is definitely the work of a modern theologian who instead of discussing things with the fundamentalism seems to seek the vainglory on the internet by twisting everything into what is cool. If he is so up-to-date to what is “being Western” then how does he not know that in the West there are many non-Orthodox Christians who also fight against “modernity and its dual spin-offs, an open society and liberal democracy.” (His point 3 in the article).
Professor Ventis seems to not have studied in depth contemporary Western Christianity with whom, as an Eccumenist, he should study if he wants to find that common ground.
Maybe that is why the Eccumenism is stuck? Because what he says would vex many Eccumenists from the Vatican including Pope Francis who also spoke and criticised the self-entitled more evolved world of today.
He’s just one of those cool theologians that is proof that the rad trads of East and West are not insane.
May God enlighten Him!
 
He’s just one of those cool theologians that is proof that the rad trads of East and West are not insane.
Those who have gone through the Western higher education system all seem to think they have found the higher way: they think, they argue, they move forward. When the truth is we are, we accept and are at peace with God.

I have read about the saints in Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism and I see that their ‘little way’ is the best way.
 
. And as we see the image of people showing up to worship looking so downcast and depressed a dubious paradigm of piety. What is your idea? What do you think ?
We come to God who comes to us in the Eucharist, a foretaste of heaven. We are but pilgrims on this earth. How are we ever to accommodate the wisdom and knowledge of Our Holy God, the Holy Mighty, the Holy Immortal. Therefore, we stand or kneel in His Awesome Presence and contemplate our meager existence in this ravaged, decaying world. We pray for forgiveness, to live another day, to speak of His blessings.
 
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