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Take note, I’ve been accused of being one here even though I am Catholic. I believe in the church as the final authority, I also believe in the word of God, how can you have one “or” the other, it doesn’t make any sense.
 
If you believe in the church as the final authority, you’re not a fundamentalist.

We fundamentalists don’t believe that the church is the final authority. We believe that the church does have some authority, but that this authority is subject to the authority of the word of God.
 
someotherguy said:
If you believe in the church as the final authority, you’re not a fundamentalist.

We fundamentalists don’t believe that the church is the final authority. We believe that the church does have some authority, but that this authority is subject to the authority of the word of God.
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As interpreted by whom?
 
The Church emphatically rejects the idea of “one or the other”. No, it is a three-legged stool of 1) Sacred Tradition, 2) Sacred Scripture, and 3) the infallible teaching authority of the Magisterium.

Remember, Christ told us He came to establish His Church. He promised to guide that Church into “all truth” until “the end of time”. It is that Church which gave us the Sacred Scriptures and which insists that we read and understand them within the light of her Sacred Tradition.
 
…Sacred Scripture is a PART OF Sacred Tradition.

“stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter” (2 Thess. 2:15).
 
someotherguy said:
By the body of Christ.
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But your idea of the “body of Christ” has come up with many differing and sometimes contradictory interpretations. The Bible says certainly that God CANNOT be the author of confusion.
 
sterryfamily said:
But your idea of the “body of Christ” has come up with many differing and sometimes contradictory interpretations.
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Such as…?
The Bible says certainly that God CANNOT be the author of confusion.
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But it does say that Satan is the father of lies, which I believe you’re doing now.
 
sterryfamily said:
…Sacred Scripture is a PART OF Sacred Tradition.

“stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter” (2 Thess. 2:15).
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This refers to the Gospel, not man made traditions, such as those found in Roman Catholicism.
 
sterryfamily said:
But your idea of the “body of Christ” has come up with many differing and sometimes contradictory interpretations. The Bible says certainly that God CANNOT be the author of confusion.
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No, your idea of the “body of Christ” has lead to contradictory interpretations–the Catholic idea of the Church as being One, Holy, Universal, and Apostolic has only proven to be an effectual guide for interpretation of Scripture and transmission of truth. When there is not central unity to an ecclesial community as in the case of fundamentalist groups, that’s when disparate and divers interpretations come about–Pastor Bob might say that passage X means one thing, but Pastor Bill will say it means something else that is opposite in meaning. They both claim to be “non-denominational” or “fundamentalist” or some will even claim denominational titles. But they can’t both be right–so how is it the Catholic Church’s ecclesiological makeup has lead to disparity of doctrine?

-ACEGC
 
someotherguy said:
This refers to the Gospel, not man made traditions, such as those found in Roman Catholicism.
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Impossible - there was no written Gospel when Paul wrote this epistle.

Sacred Tradition, according to the Church, is ALL the teachings handed down to us by the apostles - whether by word of mouth or by letter (like the Bible commands).
 
sterryfamily said:
Impossible - there was no written Gospel when Paul wrote this epistle.
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First of all, I didn’t say written. In fact, the very fact that the text you quoted says “word of mouth” should have told you that we weren’t talking about written.

Second, I don’t know that there were no written accounts of the Gospel, but I do know that, whether written or oral, the Gospel was already well known and well circulated and well taught in the NT church.
Sacred Tradition, according to the Church, is ALL the teachings handed down to us by the apostles - whether by word of mouth or by letter (like the Bible commands).
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Right. That’s your tradition, but your tradition is your tradition and is not the same as the word of God.
 
Usually what happens is that fundamentalists agree to disagree. I am not Catholic, but even I can see that sola scriptura doesn’t work. The vast number of Protestant denoms, each with their own peculiar doctrines separating themselves from the others, is evidence that the scriptures can be read in any number of ways. Those differing interpretations by default are traditions. Yet when those traditions are in conflict (such as Calvinist predestination and the opposing Wesleyan-Arminian free will), fundamentalists insist that as long as there is some agreement on the “essentials” that everything will be okay. What exactly these essentials are, no one can say.
 
ibkc said:
What happens when born again believers disagree with each other on the meaning of a scripture?
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If it’s a non-essential or a matter of adiapheron, we shake hands and agree to disagree.

If it’s an essential, then it is brought before (usually) the pastor or elders.
 
someotherguy said:
Right. That’s your tradition, but your tradition is your tradition and is not the same as the word of God.
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The Bible says it is the word of God. All Christians believed it for 1600 years. It is only men who, in recent times, wanted to make up their own religions who have suggested otherwise.

Your statements come from what you were taught by these people and it does not jibe at all with what the early Christians taught or believed.
 
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